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Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by Barry Carlton, May 20, 2008.

  1. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Actually David, I think our similarities (and they are numerous) are what bring us togehter and our differences is what keeps us here. You are so right that if we were all the same, it would bore me to the point of insanity (although I have been accused of this already).

    My hope when coming here, and why I have stayed, is exactly what you brought up: a safe community to admit what I don't know and an amazing place to learn.

    With few exceptions, that attitude has been the norm here and I would hope becomes the gold standard for all other boards.

    This said, I found nothing arrogant or high handed about your post in question. We need more folks who post well thought out topics that challenge us all. No pain, no gain.

    Al, you too have been a great addition here, but I admit to being put off by the hostility of your rebuttal. I would hope you wold check David's veracity, if you question it, before going into pit bull mode.

    BTW curious why have you left CFI? In the grand scheme of things, I believe they have accomplished far more good than bad. I encourage any efforts anyone makes to increase the worth and pride in the installation end of our biz. Egos notwithstanding (not referring to you AL!) , CFI has done this.
  2. Al Gladden

    Al Gladden stretcherman Charter Member

    i have nothing but respect for mr. hunt, i have heard from so many that he indeed is one of the best installers in the country.,i just get tired of hearing he is the only one. ..i am sure he is not the only installer in this country that can install wovens....ever heard of harry myers?michael hetts? jerry miller?fred chastain?..while david is one of the best, he is not the only one.
  3. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    If I'm not mistaken, Harry, who is a great participant here, has said he doesn't do any formal training (although he has helped an awful lot of people by his guidance on forums and many other ways off the Internet) and often defers to David Hunt for more information. I have only seen Michael Hetts participate rarely on forums and I am not aware of any forum participation by Jerry Miller or Fred Chastain (that doesn't mean they don't post on forums I don't participate on).

    It just happens that David Hunt and Harry Myers are 2 of the most prolific woven masters participating on forums anywhere, so it stands to reason that they would be more known. Since David has been known for his formal classes as well, those of us who participate on forums are more familiar with his woven work and refer to him frequently. I have no doubt David, Harry and any other pro involved with woven goods, or wants to be, wishes those other pros and many others we haven't heard of would participate on forums and share their knowledge. Everyone knows David isn't the only one. Unfortunately, he is one of the few that share freely on flooring forums.

  4. Hoss

    Hoss Charter Member

    Phil Pearlman has some interesting techniques and tools for making area rugs and runners. That is where I learned how to make a round area rug with a seperate border using only one piece of border material. His class is around $1500 for one week.

    David's classes are free. All the time. All you have to do is call him and you'll get a good one hour if not more. He's always been there for me. I had the priviledge to work with David at the woven symposium as a helper and he and Charlene taught me how to sew using cardboard a few years before the symposium. Yes cardboard!!!

    I've never seen Harry's work but heard a lot about it.

    Getting into wovens late in my career really paid off. I worked less and got paid more. The clientel is on the picky side but the money is great. I still dable in higher end goods once in a while but it was all because I had GREAT teachers and I was willing to listen and learn. David taught me how to do double glue downs over the phone. I just had to have the confidence that I could do the job correctly and please the client.
  5. Roland Thompson

    Roland Thompson Charter Member Senior Member

    I have never had the pleasure to meet Phil Pearlman but Harry, David , Michael ,Jerry and Fred are great installer's and have given so muh of themself to the industry. David and Harry have come on the web and I have talked for hours to both of these fine men and they are so helpfull and I have learned so much.
    I have spent time with PJ and he care's very much for the installer and is very willing to train anything he know's but he does have a school and it needs to be profitable so I have know issue with him wanting me to come there to get his info.Jerry, Fred and Michael are CFI certifyers and are more the happy to talk to you and help in any way the can. Michael also writes for the FCI Mag.
    Hoss ( Frank ) is also one I have called and he even has made the drive to MD to support me in meetings.
    I guess Al what I am trying to say is we have lots of great men and women in the industry willing to help they each have there own style but are each leaders.

  6. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Don't forget our very own Daris Mulkin. I've had the pleasure of watching him teach and he is a keeper!
  7. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Thank you Mr Kodner. You didn't do to bad yourself that day. If we can't help one another then we are lost. Our professions will die.
    Thanks again for the compliment it is truly appreciated.

  8. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    Mr. Hunt kindly suggested a list of reading material for me. All 4 of his reccommendations are on the way. I'm looking forward to starting this additional phase of my continuing education.

  9. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Barry Is one of them by chance American Rugs and Carpets by Helene Von Rosenstiel ? That is an excellent book. I've read it twice and am thinking of doing it again.
    What were the ones he recommended. He recommended that one to me.

  10. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    No that one was not on the list. But I'll put in on mine:D
  11. David Hunt

    David Hunt Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Daris, the books I recommended to Barry were the Garstein & Duffin Installation books with the Mohawk Woven Sales Manual & Robinson's book on Carpets as reference resources.

    The book from Helene Von Rosenstiel has more of focus on the historical aspect of carpets rather than technical. Ms. Rosentiel also wrote a second book titled "Floor Coverings for Historic Buildings that is a great resource for when and where certain products were used. Bigelow's A Century of Carpet and Rug Making in America is also another great book for those interested in the historical aspect of our industry.

    But even as a write this, it is important to note that these subjects are better appreciated after the reader has a basic understanding on the very real differences between various weaves. This understanding also makes the old tools much easier to understand and appreciate.

    Hope this helps.

    With kindest regards,

  12. steve h

    steve h Pro Member

    David, everything you said was right online. Once shown by professional. It is easy to do it takes experience and understanding woven carpets. From there on, it seems to be all downhill. Let's all of us agree on one thing you need some kind of training, and we don't need to sit here and backstab each other. We are all professionals here. So let's act like.

    Last edited: May 27, 2008
  13. David Hunt

    David Hunt Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Steve, I agree completely. Not only do we all need training, I believe one of the key components to professionalism is the understanding that the need for training never ends. Training and education is not something we obtain, it is something we pursue.

    On the subject of training, training comes in many forms, formats and venues. It is not about one being better or worse than another, as each form, format and/or venue contains advantages and disadvantages for each individual. The real challenge rests on the shoulders of the student, in finding the avenue that best fits their particular needs.

    Certainly I am not alone when I share that, I have given classes that have changed the way professionals view our trade, attendee's who you could clearly see grasped everything that was being shared and would never see the industry the same again. Then, at the very same time, see others in the class who missed it completely and wasted their time by being there. This does not mean the training was 'good' or 'bad'. Only that it was a more appropriate venue for some, than others. Finding the one that's right for you is the only thing that matters.

    With kindest regards,

    David Hunt
  14. David Hunt

    David Hunt Charter Member Senior Member Published

    On the subject of training, and we could build an entire new thread on this, is the matter of mentors. When we realize that we want to be students of our trade. That our professionalism is something we are going to practice, not master. {{Because true mastery is a journey, not a destination}} It is imperative that we build a strong network of support around ourselves. A network of mentors. Not people who will pat us on the back, more so, ones who will kick us in the behind. Folks who will challenge us to reach beyond our comfort zones and simultaneously will guide us with understanding advice and counsel along the way.

    This site could also be named, the flooring mentor network.

    Mentorship is something every professional needs to receive. It is also something that needs to be passed along, as well. As we each reach forward, we need to also be reaching back, to help others, just as others have helped us. And that, my friends, is the true secret to educational success because that by being the student, we become the teacher and as teacher we become the student, again!! And make no mistake, being the student is way more fun than being the teacher.

    With kindest regards,

    David Hunt
  15. Harry Myers

    Harry Myers Charter Member

    David is absolutely right. We all dont know everything. When I need help I have my mentors not 1 many. These are my mentors. Jerry Miller, Jon Namba, Roland Thompson, Daris Mulkin, Steve Andrews, Jose Smith and even David Hunt. These are all super people who are very knowledgable. Thanks to all of them.:)

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