Would seams in sheet vinyl pose potential problems?

Discussion in 'Vinyl Flooring Q&A' started by Debrasarina, May 20, 2014.

  1. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    Ok well I sent my contractor over there to check it out... I told him if there's mold- get rid of it; if there's rot- cut it out and replace it. He said he lifted the toilet and there was a small leak with a tiny bit of mold and a very small portion of the floor was soft. He treated the wood with something called a "wood hardener" and said that would take care of the wood and the mold. I've never heard of such a thing but that's what he did and so that's the best I'm going to be able to do. I'm not happy about it- i wish he had done something a little more drastic... all I can do now is hope for the best!
  2. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Okay well, I'm pretty much done with it. Except to say: "That guy is full of crap".

    Is this the same "dude" that wants to piece-meal the bathroom floor. If it is the same guy, you need to get rid of him he's a terrible slacker.
  3. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hopefully what he means by he'll "take care of the wood and the mold" is cut out all the damaged areas and patch it back in with some decent quality floor patch. It's not necessarily a complete demo of the flooring including the ply underlayment. I would have BET that it needed to be demoed out and PROBABLY some or all of the ply as well. I was going to be my left......handed patch trowel. I should have mentioned I have three of them and I'm right handed.
  4. Crash1big

    Crash1big Pro Member

    I'd skip the sheet vinyl and do LVT. :)
  5. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    The one who just used wood hardener is my contractor; the guy who is laying the floor is a flooring guy who I bought the vinyl from. I called the contractor and he said he didn't need to cut out and replace any wood because it was just a small section and only the edge of it was a little soft so the hardener is all that's necessary. So far as the mold though, he admitted that he really just checked around the toilet and not under the rest of the discolored linoleum. He thinks the same thing as the flooring guy: when the new vinyl is laid down, there will be no oxygen for the mold and it will die. I was not so sure about this plan and voiced my concern...so Now he wants to go there WHEN THE FLOORING GUY IS THERE tomorrow because he wants the flooring guy to let him know how he can cut back the old flooring without messing up the new job. He wants to treat the wood with something to kill the mold- but he'll be doing this right before the new vinyl is laid so I'm thinking the wood would still be wet from the treatment!!! I don't have anyone else to take of this so I'm pretty much at the mercy of these guys :( I posted a pic of what the floor looks like (after he applied the hardener) with the toilet pulled and the old linoleum pulled back....Ugh!

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    Last edited: May 29, 2014
  6. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    You owe me a left..........handed patching trowel.
    Last edited: May 29, 2014
  7. Jackreed

    Jackreed jackreed Charter Member

    Nasty I sure would not lay over that. Cut it out for sure.:eek:
  8. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    You are being taken advantage of by incompetent oafs who might even be charging you enough to do the job right. If that were my house, the least I would do is cut that whole section of plywood out and inspect the joist system under it. If any joists had rot, I would treat the rot and then sister new 2x6 or 2x8 lumber to the old joists where needed. Then a new section of subfloor would be installed with glue and nails. A little plumbing work would also be in order to fix any leaks and reset the toilet ring.

    You must live in a very small town not to have another contractor to call in. The one you have now is not doing you any favors. We need to stop letting idiots get paid to do work they don't know how to do.

    Deprive the mold spores of oxygen by installing new vinyl on top. Indeed. There is absolutely no oxygen in the wood or the space under the floor, ya think? :rolleyes: C'mon, don't let them make you think irrationally like they do.

  9. polestretch

    polestretch Senior Member

    Why don't you get the fellow that purchased the wood hardener to pick up a vinyl stretcher and you will be able to do the entire bathroom with one piece of vinyl!:D:D At the hardware store, they are both on the same shelf. ;)
  10. Grant H

    Grant H I'd rather be patting my dog.

    Sooo....Earl's Wood Hardener - How to fix wood rot....this Vinyl Stretcher ?, suction cups instead of pins ??..;)

    edit...not saying I'd ever use it. I'm a rip it out and replace it kinda guy.
  11. polestretch

    polestretch Senior Member

    Did you read this part?? "Earl's Wood Hardener penetrates into soft rotted wood fibres, restoring them to near original strength. This means you can repair even the most damaged wood, ready for full restoration."
    I am sorry, but when you have mold and rot like you have in that picture, GET RID OF IT! Why try to fix something part of the way??? JMHO :(
    What happens one day when you're sitting on the John, and you're suddenly downstairs? :eek:
  12. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    You guys are spinnin' your wheels with this one.
  13. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    This is YOUR HOUSE and YOUR MONEY. Tell them that you want the subfloor replaced and that you will pay them for it. It won't be cheap, but it's the right thing to do. That floor is nasty, and as many other floor pros from various parts of the country have already told you, it's not acceptable to put a new floor down on this.
  14. Kal

    Kal Pro Member

    I hope you didn't cover that flooring and use the hardening product. That's a short term fix for sure.
  15. flrguy89

    flrguy89 Pro Member

    New to this site but thought I'd make this my first post as I've been reading this and feel bad for this woman. Unfortunately this is what most people without help have to I counter. I see everyone has given great advise and it's an uphill battle. I would put this in the simplest of terms and hope this common sense which is often not so common makes sense.
    Your flooring is always only as good as the substrate it goes over.
    How good is your substrate (the floor your covering)?
    Will the new adhesive stick to rotting floor?
    Is a soft floor something I really want to walk on?
    Do I want a rotting floor under my new one?
    Simple questions, simple answers?
    You have solid answers on how to fix properly

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