Would seams in sheet vinyl pose potential problems?

Discussion in 'Vinyl Flooring Q&A' started by Debrasarina, May 20, 2014.

  1. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    WOW!
    Surely that must smell bad by now. Why would anyone want to encapsulate THAT?

    My guess is the installer doesn't want to mess with it but he wants the new installation work. Shame on him.
     
  2. Darol Wester

    Darol Wester Charter Member Senior Member

    That looks like vinyl and it also looks like the wax ring isn't doing it's job. Gonna be funky under there.
     
  3. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    First thing is to pull the john, rip out whatever is under there and rebuild the substrate. Then and only then should you worry about what is going in!

    Any new material is only as good as what is underneath it!
     
  4. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    No there is no smell... the discoloring occurred after a toilet filled with Draino overflowed. We had a contractor in to tear out and rebuild the connecting living room floor because it was rotted. He said the bathroom floor appeared to be sound and didn't see an mold underneath the house anywhere else.
     
  5. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    More than an even bet that he was WRONG!!
     
  6. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    20 to one shot AGAINST the hopes and dreams that you have a HEALTHY underlayment beneath that VINYL flooring.

    The last thing I'd worry over is seam placement if you're not even going to demo the existing.
     
  7. nimrod

    nimrod Pro Member

    Sorry but from the looks of the pics u sent I doubt the discoloration on the floor is strictly from the toilet overflowing once..looking closer at the pic with the toilet in full view it can b seen that the supply line for the toilet AND the other pipes behind they toilet are green with corrosion. There is some kinda moisture issues going on there and it was/is not a one time thing..I m guessing condensation from the toilet tank ....I would certainly not just go over all that. If u do u more than likely be doing it over again in a year or 2....IMO
     
  8. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    So what would be the recommendation?? I called my plumber to ask him for his thoughts on what to do and all he had to say was that if there's a leak then when the floor guy lifts the toilet to put the new flooring in, it will be wet and slimy underneath the toilet. I think finding out at that point would be a little late in the game...
     
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  9. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Take a utility knife and cut on the white line.......remove vinyl and tell us (picture) what you see.
     

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  10. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Here's a water intrusion from the shower under the tile we ripped up. And a wax ring leak for some mold to grow. Very similar to the previous bowl which is common, I'm wondering if the new backings of sheet vinyl will prevent this, though the bowl will be installed watertight.
     

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  11. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    Are you saying that the new vinyl could inhibit the mold growth??

    I tried to do it- but I got nervous that I would cut too deep and damage the wood underneath! How can I know how deep to cut without going into the wood?? I also got worried that I'll be messing up the surface that the flooring guy wants to lay the new vinyl over... wouldn't I? Or is a small piece cut out not an issue?
     
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  12. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

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    When you see what's under there it's ALL coming out. I guarantee it.

    So don't bat an eyelash at knifing through the vinyl into the plywood. If we're all wrong and you have a beautiful, dry, clean and smooth ply under there you STILL have to patch back in that vinyl. Patching in that instance is a 5-10 minute project for a pro. Don't worry too much though. That vinyl is coming out of there. I'd bet my left..........handed patching trowel.
     
  13. Debrasarina

    Debrasarina Member

    Are you thinking there's mold under there? Do i need to take precautions- like a face mask and putting up a plastic barrier and the whole nine yards???
     
  14. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    We can't tell you what you can or can't do when it comes to health issues. None of us are doctors. Prob'ly there are plenty of pros, like myself, who have peeled up and scraped a lot of floors just like yours with no more protection than a painters face mask - if that. But we can't tell you that you won't be harmed by it. So don't ask. :)

    PS: if you have seen posts or pictures of me using a hose in my nose to stay alive, it was due to my cigarette habit, not my on-the-job health carelessness... least not much, anyway.
    [edit]Ooh, I just made the TFP post count turn to 197,000 posts. Yipee![/edit]
     
  15. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    What the H E Double-toothpicks have you been reading?

    Just do a rough splice ANYWHERES roundabouts where the Loony Toons character..........Fudd, I think his name is recommended. You can splice it out in one fell swoop or do an inch at a time and look under there.

    We ALL know what's under there Debra.

    We've seen in ten hundred zillion times.

    I wish you the best of luck. It's NOT a life threatening or BUDGET busting deal. Its a teeny tiny toilet. The least of all the world's problems. But I know how scary and frustrating these things can be. I tore into every aspect of my home renovating. Believe me. I'm ONLY expert at flooring and even that comes with some very peculiar limitations. I kid you not.


    It's scary stuff but we're here for you and it'll be OK in the end.
     
  16. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Have you not been following this thread???

    Are ya kiddin' me?
    We are all telling you what you are dealing with and still you hold on to a hope thinking we are playing with you, or something.

    THAT IS MOLD IN THAT FLOOR !!!
     
  17. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    Take a deep breath, Bud. Don't have a coronary. :eek:
     
  18. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    ...there are none so blind as those that will not see.
    -old english proverb
     
  19. Adroit

    Adroit Pro Member

    Lol bud is always yelling at someone on here
     
  20. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Just trying to get y'all to pay attention in class. There will be a test at the end of the course and it won't be multiple choice.:)
     
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