Waterfall Runner on Stairs

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by Jim McClain, Oct 19, 2017.

  1. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    No big deal! But the saying is a bit different when I looked it up. And, I think I always heard Bees, it’s actually flies and vinegar is even cited.

    Thanks for the prompt Tom.

    Bees vs Flies and honey.

    The Mannington comment was supposed to go to another thread.
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  2. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    That was my first job at 16 and that guy got another Big Mac.
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  3. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Fn cracking me up. I went to a Hardee’s(worked there in high school) today after a job, pulled the trailer in with new lettering/Logo, on trailer, old guy asked me for a card. Anyway, got a regular thick-burger, I looked at it and it was gone in 60 seconds. Not a good analogy for me, I often inhale food/drinks.

    I’ve got some gripes about a couple of companies, I was nice(my standards)but that didn’t work, sometimes you have to wake people the - up! Basically it’s frustrating, I’ve never met you, I don’t know what your knowledge is, I am relying on your experience, then you fail.
  4. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    “Wake people the F up” needs to happen sometimes. How are you going to know that you are an idiot and your level of performance is substandard unless someone lights your ass up. Kinda like a verbal backcharge. Get enough of them and eventually, one can only hope, it would inspire change for the better.
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  5. Grant H

    Grant H I'd rather be patting my dog.

    ...and on the other side of the coin, praise where it's due. Even a struggling, minimum wage worker may appreciate it if you go out of your way to thank them and wish them a good day.
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  6. Kevin0722

    Kevin0722 Pro Member

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  7. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    Haven’t seen many sisal bound runners but I really like the look.
  8. Kevin0722

    Kevin0722 Pro Member

    I have a staircase this week which the client has asked to be done
    contoured,i have never done one like this before as i am always worried how it would look fixed under the nose,i am curios what you use to fix the carpet,as i would use a electric staple gun,but worry about leaving marks in the carpet where the fixings are.
    the carpet I'm using is Open Spaces Laneve.

  9. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    Usually if there is sufficient overhang on the nose, the visibility of tacks is minimized. Get a good crease just like you would do in the crotch of the stair and you weren’t using tack strip and tack away. IMO trim moulding under the nose would be a problem for contour profile and a carpet prone to showing tack marks.
  10. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Nice Carpet Keven, and welcome to the site. Also nice work on those runners you posted. Its probably safe to assume your prefered method
    for installing runners is by using " J " pin tackless on the riser and treads ?

    As for contouring your next stair job, staple method, using 'Open Spaces ' I recommend installing one or two test stairs, using left over pieces. This
    will give you a chance to practice this method and help the customer see how the staple marks will look before confirming the method.

    The proposed carpet looks to be a textured cut and loop and that's a good thing. I would do my best to staple at the recessed / lower cut area and not into the raised loop area of the carpet. Believe it or not, the more staples you put in, the less the fastened areas will be seen, because it creates an even looking crease. Probably every 1'' would be fine, then use your stair tool and hammer to complete the even crease for under the nose and crotch.

    Have Fun, and take more pictures.

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  11. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    The best place to to do a "PRACTICE" Step is the first 3 bottom steps. Nobody can see up under them unless on hands and knees looking up under them. I've done it that way many times over the years.


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  12. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    Couldn't agree more man. I have so many sins hidden under those nosings it isn't even funny :p
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  13. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    On tailored steps my first three were done different ways to see which I liked the best. Might be the same look just different ways of cutting them.


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  14. Harry Myers

    Harry Myers Charter Member

    Most of my jobs are waterfalled. 99%.

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  15. cjkgn

    cjkgn Pro Member

    That's phenomenal work!!! I wish I had gotten into high end custom work when I was young.

    Here's 250 yds of bone white Karastan I installed in the middle of winter.

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  16. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    You can partner with me if you want. Never to old to start.
  17. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Nice work cj,
    That's the first time I ever saw a double bull nose installed 75% waterfall
    and 25% molded......looks good ! ......I never did master the sewn bull-nose
    method, we would mold the bull-nose.

  18. NoFx12

    NoFx12 Pro Member

    Hi Harry,

    I just started doing staircases and I really appreciate your work. Looks phenomenal!

    I have a few questions to better understand your line of work.

    The one pictured at the bottom left with the medallions, did those have to be cut individually in order for the pattern to be the same on each step?

    If so is it easier to template or cut the steps individually?

    Lastly, is there a big price gap for the mentioned above.

    I am still struggling to get my pricing right.
    I am in California by the way.
  19. Darren Ramey

    Darren Ramey Charter Member

    Not Harry here. Any time you get in to a curved set of steps like that you will want to cut them individually. Sometimes the stairs are consistent and you can make a template, sometimes every step is slightly different than the last.

    If you work exclusively for a shop you get what they want to pay you. When you can install at Harry's level you can charge what you want. I think the most I ever charged for one staircase was $1500 10 years ago or more. It was curved with woven carpet, bordered, pickets on both sides and 2 bird cages. I didn't charge them enough, it ended up taking me 4 days.
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  20. Kevin0722

    Kevin0722 Pro Member

    I opted for the waterfall look in the end,and client was happy 4A8D1D0C-7CA5-4926-A4E1-D3607A75D9D4.jpeg 5E05FF38-170A-437B-A723-F3200D3FA6F7.jpeg 5817EACB-BAB6-4060-9038-2B2FE9EDBF9F.jpeg 86F8A25D-BAAA-4EE1-A807-DF2CCC2FB362.jpeg EF559DAB-5C53-451B-979C-F3BF0EE56751.jpeg
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