This time its POLITICAL

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by Nate Hall, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    I think it would be nice to see everyone under the same roof but I doubt that will happen. I don't think bringing inspectors and installers to the same pic-nic is the answer tho. I don't understand how IICRC can be a worldwide organization and encompass all of the areas it does. Maybe they should change their name.
     
  2. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    Its like the craftsman that claims to specialize in everything...he actually specializes in nothing.
    Inspectors and installers can coexist but only when everyone is doing the best they can...not yet



    Not now either...maybe soon.
     
  3. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    Some people forget, some have no faith. It has been done before and it has been done well. Reports from the 2008 Installer-Inspector Workshop Bringing ALL the segments of the flooring industry together has been one of TFP's main goals since it came to life 8+ years ago. Do I still have to remind members that The Floor Pro Community is NOT here to support only one or 2 segments of the industry? TFP does not, nor will it ever (as long as I am alive) advocate prejudice or segregation of flooring professionals, no matter what the balance of our member's chosen niche is.

    Jim
     
  4. Floored by Newman

    Floored by Newman Floored by Newman

    I love the whole thought of being united, but as to whom is in control of this? If there is way we have to be together. I brought up the whole fact of standards when I first become a proud member of TFP but how do we really define standards? I think this whole thing needs more thought...More aspects of business need to be brought about...I say we all get certified. Sales can be a problem. We all know what a hack can do and heaven forbid the guy that cleans carpet that is not certified? :eek::blink::confused::mad::(
     
  5. Isabella Flooring

    Isabella Flooring Pro Member

    Funny you state that, IICRC did change their name, and with in months they changed back..

    If you read the NEW ANZI SPEC IICRC R800, Inspectors guide for inspections, In sections it quotes the S600, When I was on the R800 committee, I asked how they could QUOTE reference the S600, When the S600 is still sitting in public review.....

    Just my 2 lower cents
     
  6. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    See what I mean........
    Confusion flourishes in all areas. Who's on first?
     
  7. Floored by Newman

    Floored by Newman Floored by Newman

    Now why cant we all just get along......
     
  8. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    Not about faith, it's about reality. The industry is just too fragmented to see any real organization anytime soon. Hell they are still fighting over who's is going to own the standards, when and if standards ever surface.

    Then once standards do surface (if they do) how are you going to get a majority of installers involved? The rest of the country isn't like TFP.

    How do you convince a majority of installers that for less than the cost of two 8-Balls they can (hopefully) get certified? Equally as important is informing the buying public, how's that gonna be done?
     
  9. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    Jim the fact th5st installers and inspectors got together for a workshop 6 years ago is incouraging but in the 6 year interval the divide has grown. I believe that guys in this industry have enough common ground to get along. TFP is the perfect venue for the discovery of that common ground. Even on TFP when I post pictures of a restretch an inspector points out how it was improperly done because I failed to remove all furniture from the room. Now the twin bed in the picture did not prevent me from pulling 2 inches out of the 12x11 room. That carpet was stretched to 1 and 1/2% even with the bed in the room.
     
  10. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I called Nate on that.

    Here is the problem.....if I let Nate slide today with a twin bed, next week Daris feels he can do it with a recliner in the room (after all I let Nate slide). A coupla weeks later Chris Mha wants to leave ALL the furniture in the room.:ohno:

    See what I mean by that? Sure you could get it with a Tbed but one thing leads to another. So for an inspector it becomes black and white....not a gray areas like an installer. I become like the old TV cop show "just the facts Ma'am, just the facts".
     
  11. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    Elmer its not the twin bed that determines the stretch. Its the 2 + inches of carpet up the wall. I have heard some horrific stories about inspectors measuring the gully and blaming the installer for the side match flaw. I know how to get carpet tight. I have had one job inspected in 39 years of installing. That inspector tried his darndest to hang it on me but I hired an independent inspector. The truth came out.
    There are good inspector and great inspectors but the hired guns from the mills get all the press. Just as installers try to do thier best while the hacks determine thebase rate and perpetuate the myth that 90% of failures are installers fault.
    I'm not ssying its ok to stretch around furniture but it does happen. The home office that was built around the aircraft carrier of a desk. I carpeted a "music room" that was a wall built under the stairway around an antique piano. The door was too small to get it out so I did the next best thing. Now as an inspector there is no such thing as extenuating sercumstances. Theres the rub.
     
  12. RFI

    RFI Mr. Nefarious Senior Member


    Trouble maker! :cool:
     
  13. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    What about if you can't get the inspector to get out of the room, without mentioning any names there Elmer.

    :old:

    Daris
     
  14. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Pop him up side the head with a kicker.......he will leave!!:yesss:
     
  15. Floored by Newman

    Floored by Newman Floored by Newman

    So restretch happens because someone in the first place didn't stretch properly or excessive use and so forth. I have successfully fixed countless jobs with furniture in room just on sliders moving multiple times to account for what needs to be stretched. Twin bed isn't stopping my stretch unless on worn out rebond. Anyways why is restretch being brought into picture? Inspection should happen ASAP before my warranty ends 1 year from installation and repair work has none. You don't like, you don't pay. SIMPLE. I screw up beyond repair I buy. SIMPLE. If I don't feel I can repair or install I opt out and offer a solution. SIMPLE. Something needs to happen with our trade but why like this? We will lose all that is good if we continue as we are. I never say this much :confused:
     
  16. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    AND, I would add, we've lost too much already!
     
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