Tacks are hurting my children

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by Carla, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    Incog...I loved your humor.

    Currently I am doing about 50/50 commercial and resi. I have been in ID for 18 years and here in Boise we have power and water on every job. It was a new experience for me coming from CA where I carried 200 feet of #10 cords just to save my tools (carries the amps). Followed up by 100 feet of #12. (I don't have anything less than 12 on the trailer). I think the winter temps have everyone around here conditioned for heat, lights. and water. (yeah I'm spoiled now).

    But cut Mikey some slack, he is in his own world too. (I'll bet he loves hearing, "I know, let's get Mikey".
     
  2. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    18v rigid grinder with 4” wheel, just not variable speed. They’re talking binding tape, I’ve done that once but found it tricky pressing the binding tape down to the wood, it ended up scratching my not star roller but it is like a zig zag shape, they also said no to Star type rollers on a seam due to it separating the fibers and re heat setting.

    I was 8 ft away from a front door with my trailer the other day, man was that enjoyable. Electrician had 240 on both hots (instead of 2-120) to a stove, now I have some vacuum problems aside from replacing fuse holder, so I have a ton of my own set of problems, they’re just different.
     
  3. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    2 MF hours from LAX to my house the last 3 days after busting my ass with the 2'x2' VPI conductive tile. No HVAC, 61 degree slab temperatures and the adhesive ONLY cleans off the surface of the tile with mineral spirits which is ILLEGAL in California.

    So if the only way to remove the adhesive from the tile is with a solvent that's prohibited from the state how can they still specify the flooring???????????

    Yeah, no reason to take it out on Mike. I go batshit crazy when I work with the guys who carry 200-300' of power cords, fans, drill motors and such and cant really manage them.............they can't get out of their own way let alone get out of my way.

    Fridays are a bitch in Los Angeles if you have to drive on the freeways. You're ears would melt if you could hear what I say during those 2 hour commutes. It breaks my heart to think what a monster I am----------------pure evil.
     
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    On my way home from a 3/4” mahogany gluedown I dropped a bull dyke to the ground,(swear I didn’t know it was a female) you just have to find opportune time to take out your aggression. Wife buys our lawyer Expensive bourbon and someone’s got my back. And to think I was worried about getting beat by well another person. I’ll start a thread tomorrow.
     

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  5. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    If your unable to buy 'J '-pin, I prefer using seam tape to Lower the Pins...... 'Back Tape' is best, it has no paper on the back, making it easier to set with a star roller.

    Our supply house never stocked 'J' :mad: Should be a law !!
    However, the stars aligned the other day and they actually had 10 boxes.
    I grabbed one , so between the Tri-tack 'J' and Aluminum Tkls. I like to stock ('J' pin also) I should be good to go, keeping some children safe as needed.

    Mike
     
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  6. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hang in there Incog. you'll be retiring SOON and sitting pretty..... Drop some calming music in the CD player to minimize ' The Monster ' :cool:

    Enjoy the weekend
     
  7. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    for all the crazy nonsense that has been suggested here, let's add one more (for the record I'm an advocate of hammering them down). Get some 3/8 ply, cut it to 1" and then make tackless pinless tack strip :) then break out the electric tacker and while the lock head on your stretcher holds, tack that carpet to your pinless tackless tack strip and boom your golden!

    ..... that or tap them puppies down.
     
  8. Dan Schultz

    Dan Schultz Certified Wood Floor Inspector Charter Member

    From the wood guy, "Just say no to carpet.":)
     
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  9. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    Star roller, of course! That’ll work, I was told in flooring school or CFI training at the beginning not to buy one so I never did. Brother had one, he rolled the crap out of seams to make them “look better”!
     
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  10. Darren Ramey

    Darren Ramey Charter Member

    What, you don't get several pinless strips per box designed expressly for this purpose? I mean, I'm assuming that is what they are for. Tackstrip manufactures keep sending me more and more of them...
     
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  11. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    I had to take picture of this. Here’s my take on their product. Let’s mske cheap crappy tackstrip at first, then make it a tiny bit better and call it “improved”
     

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  12. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    There are anumber of ways of reducing the pin height. I had to do a flat weave and the only pins we can get is C. I used cheap vinyl and pounded it onwith my rubber mallet. laid the vinyl out on the pad so the carpet slide up on it nicely. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. The card board from tackless box will work also.

    :old:

    Daris
     
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  13. Tom Potter

    Tom Potter I Support TFP

    I would pay money to sneak in the back of your van and listen in on those drives!

    Mineral spirits is banned in cali, thats a shocker. Just when i think NY is a communist state i hear about the nonsense out west. We can have mineral spirits but XL sodas are banned here. Its 25 to life for a big gulp
     
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  14. Tom Potter

    Tom Potter I Support TFP

    I think everyone is missing the big picture here. Theres a ton of easy outs for this scenario. Why would the installer plain refuse to remedy the situation?
    I certainly wouldn't have an issue making things right. Its no big deal right? Unless you get hollered at & a book of rules & regulations gets hurled at you.

    I just cant think of any other scenario why someone wouldn't take care of a minor/easy fix problem to make their customer happy.
     
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  15. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    Ive heard some Lowes will stop carrying mineral spirits. It was our go to solvent for cleaning up adhesive or anything. Lighter Fluid was about equivalent. Reason Lowes is stopping sale is because of the paint strippers that have killed many people due to insufficient ventilation. I’ve used the spray stripper for sunbelt equipment which instantly dissolved paint.

    My big picture for this installer is to prevent this to begin with, maybe it’s a lot to think about and check every job, installers do not test by taking shoes off but callbacks cost too much depending on appointments, distance traveled, and not “making” money during time of repair.
     
  16. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    the funny thing about pins pushing though carpet is the irony in the fact it is usually the cheapest of carpet, j-pin cost more, remedies take more time and the pay is typically low.... I can see how things get out if hand :)

    in no way do I endorse not solving the problem. In fact I recently had the same problem... except I went back.
     
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  17. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Talk about craziness, how about 2 full boxes of tkls. specifically ordered w/ no pins at all and using 1.50'' velcro to fasten the thin carpet down. :mad:
    This way, no pins, not even "J" have the chance to pop through or staples leaving unsightly marks.......... It's the David Copperfield Method of pure Magic, for those rare, extra special discerning customers.
     
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  18. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Well Since you mentioned it Mike I did a job where the HO complained every time she vacuumed she could hear the pins hitting her crevice tool at the walls and around the ceramic. We came to an agreement that I would take the strip up wherever they walked in front of the ceramic and do something different. I cut 1/4 luan to the size of the tackless even with the bevel and nailed it down. That made it look like it was stripped just like before only no pins. so then I laid a good bead of the D-815 on the luan and stretched it up with a few well placed staples and was good to go but she still didn't believe I didn't put the tackless back down. Well it came to the point that I had to tear up an area to prove the point. It was a real chore getting that off the luan to prove the point. My boss charged her $500 to put it back down which I did just like before.

    :old:

    Daris
     
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  19. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Great dedication to customer service Mark !:cool:

    Most installation related problems could be avoided if Retailers would
    hire experienced installers as part of the sales team. We can measure
    better, lay-out seam locations better, and address installation concerns, leaving very little to chance.

    Mike
     
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  20. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti Senior Member

    So as a substitute for mineral spirits for cleaning adhesive smudges on vinyl my brother use to use barbecue charcoal lighter fluid. California didn’t ban that did they?
     
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