Stretching carpet with a kicker, mini or crabjack

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by ortiz34, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    I'm talking about a 10-15 year old BETTER than average quality commercial carpet that.........has reached it's life expectancy and the client wanted to stretch out those wrinkles and get 1-2 more years out of it.

    I could see it was properly installed to begin with, reasonably well maintained.....just really heavily used, rolling carts. You know the routine.

    But is there still "stretch" left in a carpet to the point a SENIOR power stretcher is worth humping out at that point in it's life or will that actually worsen some of the marginal issues like delamination and wear across the heavy traffic areas? We booted the heck out of it and it was as tight as it's going to get without the power stretcher.

    I understand most of the technology behind the power stretcher. I will normally only stretch with my Senior stretcher. That's all I have and I'm not blowing my knees out for an hourly paycheck.
     
  2. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    Unless he was there to know it had been over-stretched, then he was either wrong or crazy. I mean lazy. ;)
     
  3. Direct carpets

    Direct carpets Pro Member

    I understand if they did it wrong every time.. I get it...
    I have now where it started with the stairs, they were loose very loose so I sent a guy to fix it. He removed all 28 steps and reinstalled them. I went back to replace the same set of stairs because they were very PUFFY/LOOSE. I could tell from the two rows of staple marks that he got about a inch out of the stairs when he reinstalled them (This is over a 1 year period,Around 6 months between original install,repair and replace. ) At the same time she had a buckle in the living room and the master bedroom. These rooms were restreched (With furniture shifted not removed.) two separate times,both times around 2 inches were removed in the width. When I replaced the stairs there were buckles in the same rooms in basically the same places along with some new ones in different rooms. even if these rooms were kicked in the first time they were power stretched 2 more times were 4 inches of material was removed and it is loose again . My only guess is the carpet is junk...So if a inspector said it was not done to spec because the furniture was not remove completely I don't buy it..... Somehow it always comes back on the installer...
     
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Yup, all products can be crap, some you know right off the bat, others down the line, I'm not deep enough to know exact product lines, retailers probably can compile a list, feedback from installers telling what products are garbage and to throw em out. Profit /recommendations, which choice ?
     
  5. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Power stretchers are more gentle than the kicker trying to pull out wrinkles

    That's the visual the customer is concerned about, the wrinkles, visually inspecting the backing for delam. What risk in damaging, could be can of worms, I think what the customers expectations and what a installer can provide would be agreed upon.
     
  6. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    No, he's not lazy Jim. I worked with this guy quite a few years. He worked hard and was VERY diligent and meticulous normally. That's what makes me wonder about this exception to the rule. It would have been easier to power stretch, especially since I was apprentice and would have been happy to RUN down to my truck and break in my shiny new Senior stretcher------that the boss gave me as a bonus.

    Wrong.....yeah I can see that. Then again just look at all the different and STRONG opinions we see here about stretching.

    Crazy? The day he signed up for this racket is all the certification I need for that assumption.

    His dad was the best carpet layer I ever met.
     
  7. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    How about a gage? Attached to stretcher, sorta like a torque wrench, because it's not practical, but would measure the tension a carpet is receiving though I don't think it could factor in surface friction/distance etc.
    We go on jobs sometimes after carpet is installed, I always check by going to center of room pinching carpet and lifting up to see how loose it is to confirm they kicked it in, I lift my power stretched carpet, certainly not to specs, probably 50-60% range so I don't bust tack off slab, it lifts slightly, how it's treated after, the quality of stability, environment, traffic,pad,backing type, the gamble is on.
     
  8. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    HEY! I met you once.;)
     
  9. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Orcon made a gauge a few years ago. I bought one on ebay to try. I'll sell it to you if you want.
     
  10. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    What are you asking for it. I may be interested. Pm me if you want.

    :old:

    Daris
     
  11. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Post a picture, never seen it before.
     
  12. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    How do you lift the carpet while you are standing on it?
     
  13. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hovercraft
     
  14. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    You don'lift the carpet an inch from your foot.:( You lift the carpet avfoot or more away from your feet. I do this to show how all the carpet in the room is loose even though the wrinkle is by the door or wall.
     
  15. Floored by Newman

    Floored by Newman Floored by Newman

    I have know this to be called a stinger. I would not be happy to see a hole in carpet, pad and subfloor. :eek: Good news the new complete stretcher I purchased a year ago did not contain item. Myself carry a 12 ft. 2 x 4 when needed, works great for mobile homes. Stretch is a must...always. I use a kicker in closets, Simple bump to set on tackles or flatten commercial application. Why work harder? :confused:
     
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