Reports from the front: Installer-Inspector Workshop

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by Tandy Reeves, May 9, 2008.

  1. tony lamar

    tony lamar Charter Member

    That could be a good thing if time permitted. It would be especially good if it were some type of demonstration that could actually illustrate some point that could be easily missed by non-installers and vice versa to the inpection side. I'm not sure how clearly that comes across. I guess what I'm saying is that many extenuating circumstances might be difficult to illustrate in a short demonstration.
  2. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    From reading the post conference posts, it sounds to me like the mission statement needs to be reviewed and rewritten. Not a bad thing, but will be of great value for keeping on track for Conference II.

    A very basic question has to be resolved: Is this a training seminar or a communication conference? Neither is good, bad or mutually exclusive, but I see some logistical issues given the time allotted for holding it, i.e. 2 days.

    If it is to remain a communications conference (more correctly a program to open communications) it seems the format worked well. If this is the way to go forward, I suggest more effort be made to increase awareness within the industry and increase the attendance for this end. The topics will be far easier to decide and moderators would probably be easier to get commitments from.

    If the intent is to train, I believe the format will need to be modified. I would see the need for presenters/experts to conduct the topics. Can we afford to pay the people that may attract new attendees? Will we be commercializing the event?

    Maybe there is a place for both at the same conference?

    Just a few thoughts...
    Last edited: May 15, 2008
  3. Roland Thompson

    Roland Thompson Charter Member Senior Member

    What if Daris and I came in early and made up some seams and do a step and I could do a vinly seam and if we could get product laminate and a wood board and then they could be inspected and talked about. We would not tell you who did what so you might be picking on poor Daris. If you like the idea I could with Daris help look into it for next year.
    I am still trying to get over that photo with my mouth moving.

  4. tony lamar

    tony lamar Charter Member

    I had hoped you liked that.:D Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you!:rolleyes:
    Now, back on topic.
  5. Chris Mha

    Chris Mha Charter Member Senior Member

    I just spoke with Tandy and he recieved a phone call from one of the CFI Masters from Oklahoma City and Tandy's presence has been requested there on June 10th for a one hour presentation for the CFI installers there. I went ahead and gave him the go ahead. So it is evident that the CFI installers are comfortable with FITS Certified and we are proud to becoming aligned with them. Go for it Tandy and I expect nothing less than the great job that you always do.
  6. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    For what its worth............

    (Let's see if I can get this point across)

    In view of the apparent success of the Workshop and those in attendance and in view of who the sponsors are (F.I.T.S./TFP) my thoughts are that the Workshop would serve a deeper and more meaningful purpose as a communications forum and leave the training to the (new to be organized) F.I.T.S. training classes.

    This particular group may well have the ability to in time become a recognized authority in creating channels with which to communicate rank and file thoughts and issues to the industry. Occasional training exhibitions would of course be necessary but not to teach installers to make proper installations and not to better teach inspectors to improve on their inspections skills and not to teach retailers ways to sell their products or run their businesses. But instead to poll those entire communities about their concerns and to develop and determine better and more sophisticated ways to consolidate the industry.

    For example; There is mention of the limited ways in which CRI's mere existence is made (or not made) available to everyone. Why couldn't this "Building Bridges Workshop" be the voice that asked the mills for compliance in once again getting printed documents into every roll of carpet?

    In my recent experience in giving a tile seminar in Kansas City I told you that none of those installers present had heard of or used the TCNA Handbook For The Installation of Ceramic Tile. Why couldn't the "Building Bridges Workshop" take on lobbying efforts to get all tile manufacturers to include mention of the TCNA existence and availability of the TCNA Handbook in printed form on their tile boxes or by the use of stuffer sheets in tile boxes?

    What if the "Building Bridges Workshop" were to develop some type of written outline of "Floor Installation Minimum Standards and Information" for use by consumers to be made available to all consumers at the point-of-sale at all Big Box Stores nationally? Not a "How-To" make the installation but a "How-To" find a qualified installer in their area and "How-To" find the required Do-It-Yourself information necessary to complete a successful installation.

    Flooring installations aren't going to improve by any great leaps until the masses of both installers and flooring consumers can be made aware that rules do (in fact) exist. Techniques and practices are much too scattered with no real focus on any of the great information that is available.

    At one time I asked: "Where are the schools?" And tho there is plenty of short term training for installers the actual schools are limited.

    Why couldn't the "Building Bridges Workshop" become a principal voice that stimulates communication from all segments of the industry and be the clearing-house that all participants could go to to funnel information and in-turn broadcast common information goals throughout the industry?

    Leave the training of individuals to the F.I.T.S. Programs and leave the need for workings of a routine and daily "gathering place" to TFP.:)

    Something else has reoccurred to me......

    Why shouldn't flooring installations become a segment of building that requires a permit and an inspection by local governments the same as plumbers and electricians. I realize plumbing and electrical work contains health and safety issues but with prices skyrocketing once again and flooring failures increasing by leaps and bounds why shouldn't the consumer be able to get some relief from a local inspection? Think about the mold and mildew issues we have all encountered in floor covering over the years. There's enough health and safety issues right there alone to get someone's attention.

    Why shouldn't someone rally a movement for local governments to inspect floor covering installations and even maybe require an installation license or certified installer. And why shouldn't that "someone" be the Building Bridges Workshop?

    Just thinking just thinking.
    Last edited: May 20, 2008
  7. Bud Cline

    Bud Cline Tile Expert Charter Member Senior Member Published

    .....and my next topic of business!!!!

    I have managed to slither out of paying my Workshop Fee. Since my attendance was cancelled at-my-own-hand after agreeing to attend, I feel obligated to still pay the fee. I guess it would be acceptable to simply make a donation to TFP and call it good.:)

  8. Tandy Reeves

    Tandy Reeves Resting In Peace Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Agreed I do not need any money sent to FITS. for the workshop.
  9. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Excellent thoughts Bud!!! I hop this helps to inspire some others to dream about what this can become and others to step up and help make that a reality! We need as many as we can muster to the call to truly make a difference.
  10. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I have been approached both in Fresno CA and here in Boise about teaching a class in resilient installations. But in both areas the installers already 'know it all' and there seems to be little interest from the 'newbie' segment. With out interest, schools are difficult to teach.

  11. tony lamar

    tony lamar Charter Member

    If they ever get on these forums and hear people talking about things they never heard of or maybe attend a CFI meeting or some event where their ignorance becomes more apparent, it might change some minds,however, if one doesn't care or take pride in their work, it's hard to reach them.:confused::(
  12. Chris Mha

    Chris Mha Charter Member Senior Member

    It's the same story all over Barry. Everyone seems to know it all but if they only knew how little they actually know.
  13. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    I agree, those who think they know it all annoy those of us who do.......:shifty:
  14. UncleCliffie

    UncleCliffie Charter Member

    I have been attending meetings put on by distributors and mills for nearly 40 years, and I have found it was always the same people showing up. The people who really need the information never take the time to attend. I have never been to a meeting where I did not learn something from somebody.
    Dick Johnson
  15. tony lamar

    tony lamar Charter Member

    Ain't that the truth. You know, sometimes I get as much from the conversations with people during the in betweens as I do from the main event. You're also right on point about the "same guys" always showing up. I'm curious as to what percentage of installers (or any job for that matter), actually give a damn about what they do or how well they do it. Sadly,I suspect it to be terribly low.
  16. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Some of it is retailers' fault, too. I worked for several big retailers in the KC area over the years including the biggest one. We received no info from any of them when new products came out. Their philosophy was: just get it down. If there is a problem, we'll take care of it later. According to a friend who still works there, it hasn't changed.
  17. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    I am bumping this thread because I need help finding David Colbey's address. He is the only one I don't have an address for. If someone knows him, or knows his address, please let me know.


  18. Chris Mha

    Chris Mha Charter Member Senior Member

    I might have it at home but I am currently in Houston until Saturday. David and I exchanged cards in Tulsa. Hopefully someone else can help you out before I get home.
  19. Roland Thompson

    Roland Thompson Charter Member Senior Member

    I do not have my CFI directory with me but I can look it up tommorow I also have his card in my office.

  20. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

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