Nursing Home Renovation - High Moisture Readings

Discussion in 'Flooring Potpourri' started by seaforrest, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. Dan Schultz

    Dan Schultz Certified Wood Floor Inspector Charter Member

    Well of course you do:

    The commercial guy.
    The floor guy.
    The rep guy.
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  2. seaforrest

    seaforrest Specifier

    If we had the capability of shutting down an entire wing, we wouldn't hesitate. This would be a no brainer. But in your projects, where did these nursing home owners move their residents to make this happen? We can't move them out of the building. The rooms are licensed for either single occupancy or double occupancy. We can't just add more people to a room -- not even during a hurricane evacuation. So regardless of whether the owners understand the ramifications, shutting down an entire wing is not doable. Corridor installation has to be completed during evenings when traffic is reduced. Resident room installations are completed 2-3 per day on a pre-designated schedule.
  3. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    All the rest homes I ever did was done at night after the resident went to bed. Some we were able to get into during the day but not many. Some stories to tell from that.


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  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    You’re still working and calculating false numbers as Chuck says, and not factoring in quantitative amounts which is also variable due to the flow of moisture ‘through’ the slab/barrier. I assume the vct curled and cracked around the edges, the permeability rating of the vct to allow moisture to pass is certainly higher than solid vinyls in carpet tile and plank.

    I would contact Lew Migliore personally, saw something about a year ago that they actually recommend products and they’ve seen failures. The fee would be 10 grand? How much have they lost already (to put that number in perspective, not calculating this next failure)
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  5. seaforrest

    seaforrest Specifier

    Mike - We have never dealt with failure issues at this current project I'm working. We are not replacing the flooring because we've had problems. The owners just want to update the look. Past renovations at this home have entailed installation of new flooring on top of the existing flooring. We replace flooring at each property about every 10 - 15 years.

    This time, we intend to strip it to the slab and start fresh. We know the slab readings are high. We have the luxury of shutting down each dining room for 4-5 days, but we can't isolate main corridors for more than one evening. Those are the unfavorable, but unchangeable conditions.

    To date, I have only had one carpet failure due to slab moisture and we resolved it by re-installing with spray adhesive. The other mishaps were not moisture related. They were either product quality issues or install errors. Slab moisture in this part of the country is not going away. Problems have only recently arisen since we have stopped installing floor on top of existing floor, and since they took the good adhesive off the market.
  6. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Ok, I’m settled a bit better, good to know. A phone consult to Lew perhaps. I think most high end failures are reviewed by his company, they have a lot of inspectors contracted through them.

    For the rooms with adhesive in hallway and someone needs to get in or out I’m thinking chair mats designed for carpet with the tabs underneath to keep from getting in adhesive. Not in your wheelhouse just a safety thing. Place it down, let them through then pick it up. Something like that.
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  7. Incognito

    Incognito No more Mr. Nice Guy! I Support TFP Senior Member

    Pretty sure for every shop/installer that goes belly up due to moisture failures there's 10-25 guys/shops rolling in the dough (making a living).

    It's REALLY up to the customer to make this call to spend the big bucks and do things by the book if they want a manufacturer to stand behind the install.
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  8. Commercial Floor Rep

    Commercial Floor Rep I Support TFP Published

    Just a quick follow-up note. On the picture that I posted earlier in the thread.

    The flooring contractor had moisture testing done and it came back between 94.6 to 97.7. The end-user is going to use a moisture control system to fix the problem correctly based upon several conversations. I was able to provide the flooring contractor with contact information on who in our area can perform that type of work. Once the MC system is installed then the flooring contractor will install the flooring.

    Every now and then they do work out. :)
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  9. seaforrest

    seaforrest Specifier

    Well - we've decided to use the Taylor Dynamic on this project. Can be used with most all flooring types and tolerates up to 99% moisture levels. We shall see.....
  10. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Very thoughtful of you keeping us informed and what you experience.

    I thought about being a specifier (just for Flooring)years ago, sounded like a cool job, never really ran into one and I’m sure I haven’t a clue how difficult the job is.

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