Looking at a Runner job on Monday

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by Lo Down, Oct 18, 2009.

  1. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Lo I'll let you in on a little secret. In my 44+ years I've never had to do a runner like that. But i know how to sew and now seeing how its all done I might get through it. Thanks for the pictures and info.

  2. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    Daris ...I'll UPS my next stair runner job and layout to ya when I get one. :yesss::yesss::yesss::yesss::yesss:
  3. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    I could probably muddle my way thru it, but I could never sew it. Some of you have skill levels way above mine. I'm just a simple old crapet installer. But I'd like to try something like that once.
  4. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    One thing that would make it more enjoyable, would to have a carpet that was easier to sew and stretch. I was literally pulling the needle out of each stitch with a pair of needle nose pliers. Less than 30 feet of seams, but that's what made Lo so slow. Wax on the needle helped a lot, and so did using a thin guage needle.
  5. David Hunt

    David Hunt Charter Member Senior Member Published

    For the record... when I said "as much skill, talent and ability as anyone out there" what I was intending to imply that there are none with anymore skill talent and ability. There may be some with more experience doing this type of work, but none that could have done it any better and I do mean that sincerely. Myself included! Randy, you did a fantastic job!

    BTW: Randy, Mike and anyone else, this type of work is never about time. It is about the finished results! It takes what it takes! Once we realize and accept this fact and we remove ourselves from the 'time box, that's when this type of work becomes fun! :yesss: Really-really fun.


  6. Harry Myers

    Harry Myers Charter Member

    Very nice work Lo. Most of woven material are what is most appealing to the eye. most installers lack that knowledge. :)
  7. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Great advise Dobby, just to re-cap--- think outside the box and remove
    ourselves from the time box, you sure like box analogies. :D

    Hey Lo-down, I see no visible color change from one section to the next,
    therefore indicating that you may have decided to run the smooth pile sweep
    up the top 5 steps, rather than the typically smooth down preference.
    Just curious :D Ps> thank you for thanking me ! :confused: ~Mike
  8. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    I am not able to rush a job, so it takes whatever time it takes. Lo has one steady speed. I do all my work to make myself satisfied. If I am, I know the customer will be.

    While you're patting me on the back, I need to thank you Dobby.

    About 4 years ago, a woven wool runner job was thrown at me by a retailer. He said "you can do it, there's only two miters." :eek::eek::eek:
    I had never done a single miter, let alone a single straight seam in a woven material in my life, and this stuff was over $70 per running foot :eek::eek::eek: and the edges had surging on them. :eek::eek::eek: Sheesh, no stress there, because he ordered one pattern match plus another 3 feet of material to do 13 stairs and a 6 foot wide landing. O sure...... that's plenty of material. :ohno:
    Heck, I had installed only a couple runners on stairs up to that point..... just not much call for it around here.

    Anyway Dobby, without you generously asking me for my phone number so that you could share your knowlege and help me on that Karastan runner a few years ago............. nobody would have ever asked me to do this one. You started this so I only have you to blame. ;)
    Thank you.

    You guys inspire me and I have seen your stuff Harry..years ago you were showing some of your work now and then so I know what you are capable of.
    Homeowner searched a lot to find the pattern she wanted, and tho she didn't know it, she had found a pattern sized perfectly for those stairs. She doesn't know it, but she made me look good. :yesss: This pattern size was a perfect match for that stairway.
    Thanks Harry, I appreciate the kind words.
  9. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    Smooth pile sweep? I'll have to remember that one........ um..........what is it? All of the runner sections lay the same direction (east) except possibly that lower landing. The lady had guests today, so no way was I leaving that step un done.
    Even tho it's reversed (possibly reversed) it sure doesn't look that way at all. Walking up, or walking down, I don't see a color difference... so if I can't see it, you bet I ain't gonna bring the subject up. Maybe I did screw up and it's actually laying correctly. :hmmm: I get confused easily.
    Photos 1 and 2 are how it looks to the eye.
    (1 and 2 meaning top left and top right)

    The third image in the first set of photos I posted shows the bottom landing and the last step both looking darker............. I know for sure that the bottom step is oriented in the correct direction, so why is it dark too?
    Flash falloff, or the focusing ability of the flash is my guess. A standard camera flash for a 35mm SLR film camera lights up an area with a focused (rectangle shaped) beam of light............. and most flash units are focused to throw out a beam of light for "normal" lenses like the standard 50mm or even a 35 mm.
    I had my lens set closer to 20mm........... quite a wide setting, and I guess beyond the coverage area of the flash intensity.
    I wish now that I had taken my second flash unit and remote trigger with me to be placed on a tripod downstairs to even out the lighting.
    ( well, there you go again Mr. Lo Down... it looks just fine, so spare us the details and stop flappin yer yapper) :eek: :D
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2009
  10. Roland Thompson

    Roland Thompson Charter Member Senior Member

    Lo, The rest of the guys have spoken the truth. You have done an outstanding job and made us all proud.:cool::cool::dance::good::bow:
  11. FlooringGirl

    FlooringGirl Senior Member

    Absolutely beautiful job, LO!!!! And Rusty, are you one of those carpet guys that yells about tiny little imperfections in your work or about your upcoming work in the middle of the night? I sleep with one of those ...

  12. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    No, I never have imperfections.:D And I don't sleep much.
  13. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    He doesn't sleep much Tia. I'm here at 1:30am and rusty is still on line............... I pitty the fool. ;)

    Roland, and Tia................. thank you for the kudos.
  14. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    I got a call today.................. now we are talking less than 24 hours after the installation was completed.
    Customer said one of the finials broke off................. OK......... it didn't really break off.
    Customer had a "gathering" on Thursday night (party with friends)
    Some party goer was admiring the rods and finials, (admiring a bit to close if ya ask me) and somehow she got one unscrewed. It fell off. She panicked and thought she had broken something. :D:D:D
    It took me longer to walk down the stairway from the road to the house than it did to screw the finial back on.

    I told the homeowner to call up the worried guest and tell her it was an easy repair, and that it only took a few hours. Home owner told me wine was involved. :D:D:D
    How was your day? :D
  15. FlooringGirl

    FlooringGirl Senior Member

    The customer couldn't figure out how to screw it back on? :confused: You had to go back for that? Oh my gosh!

  16. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Alcohol does make some people stupid. KMAN could probably tell stories about that.:D
  17. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    The rods are hollow and the small machine screw fell back inside the holder............ so there was no way to reinstall it without removing the rod and dumping the screw out.
    The "issue" occured on the 7' wide upper stairs, not the complex ones I just completed.
    These rods are coupled together with the center holder and you have to slide the rod sideways to release it. Not complicated, but you need to know how the bracket works to correct such a simple issue.
    Personally, I thought the entire thing was a riot.
    I told her.......... just 24 hours and you destroyed my entire life's work? arrrgh!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  18. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    What was the "service charge?"
  19. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    "Some Weasel took the cork out of my Lunch"

    RG, the sevice call compensation was probably the left over wine :yesss:
    with the cork still in the bottle.Lo, I recommend taking the Pinot Noir :p :D

  20. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    Zip, zero , zilch as it is referred to. I probably didn't tighten the screw enough if a drunken party goer could undo it so easily.
    I'm so freekin strong rg, that I'm afraid to tighten those tiny brass machine screws to my full capabilities. :D I'm blamin this one on me.
    Took me about as much time to fix as walkin down the stairway to the home, (mansion), saying hello and returning to the truck. It was .2 of a mile out of my way as I was heading to the shop anyway to ask some questions on Mondays job.
    Hey, I'm not gonna screw up my relationship with the homeowner and Smooch, by charging for something so simple.
    besides, .............. while I was there she asked me to construct an area rug . It's gonna be 8 inches wide by 5 feet one inch long. ................ and require 3 seams. I have over an hour into this "area rug" and it isn't even sewn together or surged yet. :D:D:D No kidding.
    It will be sort of a filler piece between the entryway rug and the front door.
    (I could'a slid the entryway rug 8 inches closer to the door, but that ain't what I was asked to do :ohno: )

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