Let's talk seams..

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by mamamelanie, Sep 3, 2016.

  1. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    So if you can't afford a $250.00 tool you can use a board. You think I never made a seam on cushion? Wrong. I teach guys to use a board to avoid lipase as well as better adhesive penetration. The seam is not going to stick to the pad either. Having said all that, this is America and you are free to do jobs below the minimum standards and no one will arrest you.when you go online and try to convince guys with twice as much experience to sink to your level it shouldn't be too surprising when we are reluctant to change.
    One day a guy came to a CFI certification and used a glue gun on his seams. He changed the entire industry. You are not that guy.
     
  2. Bigsky

    Bigsky Member

    I didn't try to convince anyone of anything...I've said 4 times that ya gotta do it how you think is best..
    Today I'm doing 30' of vinyl and ul....but tomorrow I will be installing the carpet in this home...well maybe Sunday on the carpet....but I will make two seams, one using a weight and one without a seam weight at all.. I'm going to wager no measurable difference in seam quality what so ever...I will pull both apart with a fork lift and give you the results...I bet when measured, both have same depth at the seam and both tear right next to the seam tape...whatcha wanna bet
     
  3. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In Senior Member

    Great job with the test, not many would go to that extreme to analyze a point. No one blindly follows, we think and share experiences in the hope to improve the floor covering world. No one person or group ever gets it right 100 percent of the time, it's the nature of the natural world.

    Peace
    Mike
     
  4. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    The homeowner might be upset when you tear apart his carpet with a forklift...I bet he sues you.
     
  5. Bigsky

    Bigsky Member

    I agree, but it seems some here either like to argue or do not question authority..I do both. I've compiled data and make conclusions based on that data..I would love to hear about others investigating their practices and coming away with different results. I am currently under the belief that carpet manufacturing has declined in quality and carpet adhesion materials have improved to the point that weights, boards and other such voodoo are wasting our time. I won't apply any certainty to that statement just yet but it seems to be the trend.

    Lol....no I will use his scraps to make the seams...
     
  6. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor Senior Member

    It's kinda funny watching guys get all worked up over carpet seams or how far a piece of pad wraps over a nose.

    Myself, I do this job for the money. Part of that equation is doing a good job so my reputation is good and I don't spend my own money fixing work. As bigsky points out, everyone has to make their own lines in the sand. There were probably alot of these discussions when guys were sewing seams and others were running an iron. I probably do things that others would call wrong, but I am okay with that because it's ultimately my reputation and paycheck on the line. I have seen guys make seams by doublecutting a freehanded seam in commercial carpet that looked better than I could do running a row. Not only that, the seams held up long term and looked invisible the life of the carpet. Was it wrong? Some will say yes but the customer got the best version of what they paid for with a technically wrong method of seaming a glue down carpet. I say this to point out that YOU are the professional that needs to stand behind your work.
     
  7. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I don't think you have a clue about standards testing. I'm surprised you know what a micrometer is. Not used in the field of carpet installation. I surmise your father may be in the Sciences. Ok, you may be facetious, but it you want to convince anyone of the facts, your test methods are severely flawed.

    Removing carpet some seams separate with little effort, they performed as needed throughout its life, so seams do not need to be impenetrable at times.

    I don't call you a liar, or whatever other name you should offer, you just seem a little hostile to the rest.
     
  8. Bigsky

    Bigsky Member

    Hey man, I didn't start insulting others, I stated my position and that is where I stand. Why not go out to yer garage and screw around with some of these claims of mine...these "tests" are easy to perform. Let us know what ya think. Be objective about it and let's discuss real world applications.. like I've said a million and one times...it's how I do it...so take yer cirrhotic liver to the garage and fiddle with yer dogma....question with boldness oh small weinered one. :blink:
     
  9. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    OK. How many locations on the seam did you "test"?
    What pic was the backing?
    What tape did you use?
    What was the temperatureof the carpet, the tape and the iron?
    Your science is faulty without factual data.
     
  10. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    You "proved" nothing. You typed words on the Internet.

    Yes, you did. That's why I chimed in. In hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have said, "don't be a smart-ass." I just fed the fire.

    Apparently, you forgot the rules of TFP you agreed to when you joined. Have another look (click here). Don't break them.
     
  11. Bigsky

    Bigsky Member

    I'm just following yer lead

    I compared apples to apples, same carpet...same tape and same locations...all displaying same results...

    Hey I tell you what, y'all keep doin what yer doin and I'll let myself out
     
  12. Completefloors

    Completefloors Pro Member

    Does your "testing" bring you to conclude the "fact" that the stair nosing is walked on? does it also bring you to conclude the fact that carpet backing can act the same as sand paper when rubbed against wood? and do both of these facts bring you to conclude that a nosing without pad is not protecting the wood stair nose, that is wrapped with a carpet, no padding, and receives foot traffic, will essentially wear down the thickness of the wood nosing? and has your field test proved that when you rip carpet off steps and you see the center of the nosing is very worn down compared to the sides?

    You say prove you wrong and you will admit it.... lets see.
     
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