Konecto Casa edges coming apart

Discussion in 'Vinyl Flooring Q&A' started by Lifsabsurd, Dec 4, 2009.

  1. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    I replied to your email. Just reply back and email me the pictures. I will resize and post them for you.

  2. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    You beat me by about 45 seconds.
  3. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    This is a test. I learned that the camera itself can downsize a picture, but only to like small, extra small, whatever. I tried to downsize one and to attach it. It is only 640 by something, not 1024. I think it is attached. If this works I could do others. I read the posts from Barry Carlton and the TFP administrator and I will look in my personal messages and try to e-mail both of you some better photos.

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  4. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    The picture seemed to work. The pieces of cardboard one sees on either side of this picture are box tops from Konecto boxes. What one cannot see is that this picture was taken of a location under a table. At a time when it was not clear how bad the problem would become, we put cardboard down to protect the planks before moving furniture back onto them. This area under the table is one which I have not been trying to keep down by stepping on. There is a similar area under a pool table.
  5. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    OK. I just e-mailed you 3 higher quality pictures. I hope it worked. I can apparently use my camera itself to downsize them to 640, but not, to the best of my knowledge, to your ideal size of 1024. If the pictures I sent you by e-mail work, I could send you more pictures, some of high and some of low pixel count.
  6. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    I received 6 large format pictures of your flooring, which I have returned to you after resizing. There is no "ideal" image size. I subscribe to the philosophy that a camera should be set to balance the highest possible quality image with the number of images you can fit for your needs on the memory card.

    Of course, the rules of this and other websites apply and the consideration of the people viewing them. We use a feature that allows you to upload very large images - up to 2448x2448 pixels and up to slightly more than a megabyte in file size. The system will automatically create a thumbnail image to show in the post. When you click it, you can see the image in a size that fits your own screen resolution. Click the image again and it opens in a new window full-size.

    I resized your images to 1600x1200 so that those with larger screen resolutions could see all the available details, yet still not overload my server with large files. I do this for members all the time and I don't mind. [removed]

    [edit]New Rule...[/edit]


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  7. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I have great difficulty and little success uploading anything larger than 1024. The software just won't let me. It does not seem to matter if it is one pic or 5. That is why I suggested that size to him. It is a large enough resolution to see more than enough detail as a rule.

    Picassa is free and easily resizes my pictures. You just have to use the "file" pull down menu, "export picture to folder" button which pulls up a box with sizing options.
  8. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    I'm not familiar with Picassa, but I do know that some image programs that resize pictures, don't also optimize the new size image's file size. So, a 1.6MB image that was 3264x2448 and is now 1280x1024 can still be 1.6MB (or there 'bouts) - too large for the upload feature and it will cause the system to throw up a security token error message. Images can be no larger than 2448px in either direction AND no larger file size than 1,050,000 bytes (1,025.4 KB or 1 MB). This is for JPG images. GIF and PNG images can be the same file size, but no larger format than 1024x1024.

    Sorry for taking this off-topic again. We really should be discussing image uploading issues here: https://thefloorpro.com/community/website-and-forum-support/3384-picture-attachments-in-posts.html It is okay to post to that topic even though it is old.

  9. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    Thanks to the administrator who sized pictures for me.

    I have loaded the ones he resized into this e-mail. There should be 6 pictures.

    One, I believe, is the same as the picture I already have shown at 640x resolution.

    One is of the floor in another area that is lifted badly.

    One shows the Konecto plank which lifted up at 2 days after having its tab bent.

    One shows the Konecto plank control for that test, i.e., a plank which didn't have a tab bent and didn't lift at two days. It still hasn't lifted.

    The lighter colored plank is the Allure seen at one day. The corner of the upper tab which was not glued down can be seen bending upward, but the part glued to the other plank has not lifted to this day.

    There is picture of the three sets of planks lying in my foyer at a time when I had weights over the lifting Konecto seam. Because the three sets of two planks each are not all oriented the same on the foyer floor (look at the long side lower glue tabs which will be either left or right in the picture), the 3 pictures I took to demonstrate the seam conditions are from different room directions, but always show the lower seams on the right (I hope), which is the best orientation for visualizing lifted butt-end seams.

    I hope people can tell which picture is which, and I hope I have got them all straight. I believe they will be shown in the same order I have described them, but I am not sure that will happen.

    I think I will repeat this bent tab test. The result frankly surprised me.

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  10. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    OK. They are not in the order I described them. The top most one is the bent tab Konecto, then the Konecto control, then the Allure, then the set of three tests in my foyer as well as some tile that I pulled up from a corner of the basement floor and later brought upstairs to see if they would lift even at room temps., then a new picture of the basement flooring with bad separation, and, lastly the previously posted picture at a different resolution.
  11. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    These three pictures are much lower quality, taken as still pictures on a camcorder. They show the box in which the calcium chloride tests came, the petri dishes used in the calcium chloride tests, and one of the domes or covers which are used in the calcium chloride test and which are still stuck to the concrete floor. Not sure anyone is really interested in these.

    I may take some other pictures, for example of the six planks which are holding together in my garage at temps in the 30s, 20s, or teens, or of the earliest tests I tried with planks stapled to a plywood backing - if anyone is actually interested.

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  12. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    What I would be interested in seeing is the actual floor that has failed.

    NOT pics of tests or equipment used to test, but the material on the floor with the failure displayed!
  13. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    Two of the pictures I just posted ARE of the actual material on the floor. And I posted some previously in this thread, several weeks ago. Are you saying that the two pictures I just posted of the flooring all lifted up do not look like failure?
  14. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Thanks, do you have any more of the installed floor failing. These are obviously a failure but without an inspection we do not know why they failed. Surprising to me that the distributor did not request an inspection.
  15. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    I did this job in November. It has been three months and I have tried to leave it as undisturbed as I reasonably can for the record. The basement looks like a bloody mess. There is old furniture that was moved around in order to lay the floor, and that furniture hasn't been set up properly again. It is still sitting in the middle of this mess. Most of the old stuff we planned/plan to get rid of. The basement looks awful.
  16. Lifsabsurd

    Lifsabsurd Well-Known Member

    So, I am just posting observations which I find interesting. It may be that only a few other readers find them interesting, and it may be that the observations are meaningless, or even mistaken, but, here is another such.

    I have been watching what I will call the bent-tab-Konecto seam in my foyer for 4 days, since removing weights last Thursday afternoon. It *appears* to be in the early stages of popping up again, BUT I will wait a few more days to see. I could be wrong. When one steps on lifted planks on the floor in the basement they appear to stay down, sometimes it seems for more than a week. And yet I have put masking tape on a few to ID and watch them, and some times it takes roughly a week before they pop up again.

    I also noticed today, for the first time, something I found interesting about the Allure (yes, the Allure, not the Konecto) seam. I have taken pictures today, at a camera setting of 640, but I will wait a few days to post them - or not if no one is interested.

    I will just say today that when I first looked at the Allure this morning I thought it too had lifted after all these days. One can see a black "gap" at the seam that wasn't there before. When one looks closely and feels the seam, one finds that there is indeed a "gap" of maybe as much as a thirty-second of an inch (I didn't try to accurately measure it). But there is no lifting off the glue of the lower tab as far as I can tell. In other words, this seam appears to have "separated" horizontally, without pulling apart the glue bond and without "lifting." What factor, what force is causing this? The thermostat upstairs has been down to 74 degrees for several weeks now, but it has not been changed over the period of time that this seam was made. If it is increased temp. that causes shrinkage then I don't get it. What caused this seeming horizontal shrinkage?
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  17. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    If the Allure material had been acclimated properly, then I'm betting others will be stumped also.

    You have created quite an educational topic here. Not just for yourself, but for everyone reading it.
  18. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I agree Lo,
    I wonder about the curling effect.
  19. Lo Down

    Lo Down Old as dirt member Charter Member Senior Member

    Now Barry? :D

    I noticed at a retailer here in town that one side of all the Konecto samples have a curl to them............. all on the non-glued overlapping edge.
    These were all loose samples, not glued onto a display board.
    The samples are years old, not new ones.
    ....... so I'm not sure what that says other than the vinyls decorative surface on top shrinks more than the core side.
    Maybe they should have made a sandwich with the same vinyl on the bottom of the plank to balance out the tension.
    .......or even better yet, maybe putting a second vinyl layer midway in the center of the material. That is the "sandwich" part is in the top layer (brown), then adding a backer layer with the adhesive tongue.
    I'm no rocket scientist nor an engineer, but if vinyl is going to shrink and curl, you must find a method to counteract that curl........... aaah, that balancing act.

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    Last edited: Feb 15, 2010
  20. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    :eek:...good idea Lo, kindda like the Amtico construction. A solid plastic middle core...:yesss:

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