Is there something wrong with my vinyl installation?

Discussion in 'Vinyl Flooring Q&A' started by deseraimp, May 24, 2017.

  1. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I saw these lines today at a retailer. The installer and retail owner were out back unrolling about 50 -60 ft? The installer noticed it, then I started looking at it and you could see down the length different shades across the width. The one side about a foot wide was tad bit lighter or more shade difference than rest of roll. It was a small plank pattern with no straight grout line through the length. The manufacturer was IVC the retailer said. It was for a base grade builder, the retailer says it will blend in, small home, won’t be noticeable. I say don’t you call distributor/manufacturer? Raise a concern pronto? So until it’s objectionable in a home, an installer may have raised these concerns but it’s going in anyway till a complaint arises. Again, if anyone can see their product prior to arriving, not that you’re signing off on it, and opening a roll of vinyl may be impractical until install date but off possible it may reduce some problems/issues. Then again, each person is different, a husband may not see what the wife does. I didn’t want to take picture, they’d get suspicious but exact same issue.
  2. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I will say again it is a part of the inherent design, have seen it many times. Pick a different design or learn to live with it, your choice!
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  3. Steve Olson

    Steve Olson Hardwood/Laminate Guru Charter Member Senior Member

    So...the 2016 install was over existing vinyl. Was the 2017 installed over that? Or were all the layers torn out, as it was water damaged? I'm sticking with it being from a overlapping glue line; if they debossed the old vinyl and them laid over it, chances are good pulling it back peeled a bit of the float off, and now you have a line. Can you feel that line?
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  4. Hanover Fist

    Hanover Fist Pro Member

    I think the clue everyone is missing is the retailer; Empire.
    This chain (which started in my hometown of Chicago) is known for selling discount grade material (a large portion of which is discontinued lines) at mid-grade rates, and selling “free installation”. What they’re doing is marking up crap product and hiding install fees in that margin. On top of that, they literally hire the cheapest subs they can find, and set pay rates well below 1980s pricing. Crap product, crap installers (with a few exceptions) = what you have there.

    Don’t trust me, google Empire reviews...

    The installer’s commentary on the product and their skill level in working with it should be an immediate red flag.
    Since you’ve already contracted with them, you’re probably stuck with them. But if it were me I’d be looking for a back door out of that contract, and call a local retailer who gives a crap about their company name.
  5. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I agree Bob, I immediately by the retailers reply to me was of course skeptical as to cost of material and what deal was made on this vinyl. In my opinion if there is not information provided to the buyer about the “ inherent nature” of this product and is very visible and dissatisfying to customer then it is Fraud, flat out. They are purchasing a product which should be uniform across the field, not a shading pattern. And there’s a job opening for a fantasy island that Chucks buying for us if you want to create it!
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  6. Tom Potter

    Tom Potter I Support TFP

    I notice on almost every IVC earthscapes piece i get there's a roughly 1" line running the length of the material. Its somewhat sticky and has to be removed with a rag and mineral spirits. It's a pain because the material is textured.
    I can't really see the pic too well but it looks very similar. Not that you should have to but try to give a little spot a rub. You'll be able to tell if it's a surface mark.

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