Is it time for required certification?

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by RFI, Dec 11, 2011.

  1. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    Oops, see the ease of boostin yer post count. I thought I lost the first one, and I can't decide which one to delete. They're both just too good......:coffee:
  2. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    Leave 'em both. :yesss:
  3. TwoStar

    TwoStar Maybe Three

    It's kinda like listening to the story about how my grandma met my grandpa. She's 93 and tells it a little different each time, but it always ends up the same. ;)

    I agree with you, though. When I posted that grouting rag vid, I was sick to my stomach all day, before I got home, that you guys were gonna rip it all up. It turned out to be a great learning experience, discussion, and Danny's so proud of himself for being on-line. He doesn't even own a computer, it's kinda funny.
  4. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I have to agree that none of us do a perfect job. And many, if not most, of us have allowed ourselves in a position to do a job in a manner we know is wrong and has a likelihood to fail. I know I have, and fortunately in 33+ years, less than a handful have come back to bite me.

    However, even though I have had few major complaints on these "shortcut" jobs, I honestly do not know what they looked like after 3, 4, or 5 years. They could have looked just as bad as the pics in the other topic. That being said, I truly and deeply believe that Rob's statement that it makes the entire trade look bad, as he said in his first post, is spot on and irrefutable. No one, and I do mean no one other than the installer is going to remember the pressure and concessions that were demanded 3-4 years ago. All they are going to see is the installation failure.
  5. RFI

    RFI Mr. Nefarious Senior Member

    This is my third attempt to respond to this post. I just cannot seem to get it to come out right :blink:

    There is so much truth in Barry's two statments it is not even funny. The pressure, concessions and job conditions are forgotten very quickly, but the blame game is fast and furious.

  6. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With toes I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    How about manditory certification for goods at,or above a certain price point.
    That way the construction grade goods can be left to the "shoot 'n' boot fuzz busters." For the most part, those customers are not shopping for warentees. They are shopping for price and price alone. The higher priced, and/or, patterned goods would command a better installation price, as this would require a skilled installation professional. Long story short (little late for that!)a line in the sand to (help to) seperate the men from If a helper wants to jump ship and try to make it on his own, he'll have to buy a certification or sink down to the level of the of 'em. (notice how I didn't use the word HACK?)
  7. RFI

    RFI Mr. Nefarious Senior Member

    I think Nate just called me a "shoot 'n' boot fuzz buster" Yes I reread that...........thats what he called me.................:blink:

    Gwedo and Vinnie will be paying you a visit very soon............:mad:

  8. Barry Carlton

    Barry Carlton I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I know what you meant...that certs need to have a value placed on them, but the wording implies that one would be able to "buy a cert" w/o the skills and abilities to qualify for it. Unfortunately that already happens far too often.
  9. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With toes I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I spent many days ( and nights) as a "shoot 'n' boot fuzz buster" and I did not make enough wages to get certified. I had to work weekends for that "luxury!" I honestly don't mean any insult, but what name can we give to under-privlaged installers? Guys(and gals) who are down-trodden by an uncaring industry, a lousy economy, and other things that are beyond thecontrol of the average "jamoke?"
    Tell gwedo and Vinnie to bring the "A-game" and eat wheaties because I was born in a fist-fight and I fight to win.
  10. RFI

    RFI Mr. Nefarious Senior Member

    A game...................... shoot they cannot even spell :p

  11. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With toes I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I bet they are great at dottin' peoples eyes.:eek:
  12. RFI

    RFI Mr. Nefarious Senior Member

    They are more into concrete :p

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