Installing toilets

Discussion in 'Other Home Decorating & Remodeling Projects' started by Don Monfils, Jan 28, 2017.

  1. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I couldn't find the type of Hepatitus you can get from messing with those nasty things, I thought it was B.

    My brother always sets them, we removed a floor yesterday, put the fridge back , he asked should I hook up waterline, I said no, what's the worst if we don't, no water, what's the worst if we do, leak! In my opinion if you know what you're doing and the line bursts, it's homeowners insurance. I always recommend braided stainless lines whenever I move any water connected device. I see old rubber/vinyl lines if you look at them funny they'll get you back.

    I charge 20$ per appliance if I move them on my jobs, customer can move themselves if they want. A toilet, I'm thinking 75$ if I put it back, 25$ to pull. True it's difficult to schedule a plumber exact time you're finished installing, heck I need a bowl while working and contemplating about putting one in my trailer.

    A bowl that rocks will lose its seal, causing possible leaks and low water level in bowl. Most times the concrete raises up around all obstructions(floor ourletsas well) and needs grinding in order for bowl to sit flat and tight on floor. Fast setting grout works best to fill void around bowl, Portland takes awhile to set, try telling someone they can't use the bowl for four hours after you leave.

    And don't forget to plug the drain so methane gas does not enter the living environment due to bowl trap being removed. I see traps removed somewhat often on sinks during renovations. I don't feel like breathing waste as well.

    I probably have more random thoughts about the dam bowls, never cracked one luckily. But I have replaced flooring due to bowl/tank seal leak. A don't contact me for any flooring ever again gift.
     
  2. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    When I did bathrooms, they would schedule them first thing in the morning, in case we had a sub floor problem, give us time to do a repair if necessary. The plumbing outfit knew they had to pull a toilet at 8 am and I would be there by 8:30 to work. They were in my cell phone and I would call about 1/2 hour before I was done so they would come out and re set the toilet. It all worked out pretty well for me and the store.
     
  3. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    Funny thing is that the big box stores specifically state they don't disconnect/ reconnect gas or water lines for appliances but won't hesitate to reset a toilet even though my state says that you must have a licensed plumber reset toilets. I suppose it all depends on how bad you need a few bucks. My kids are grown. My van is paid for. I don't need the headache. Shit, if your house has CPVC pipe, I won't even pull your toilet.
     
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    What's the story with CPVC, it gets brittle and cracks? My brother bumped one grinding next to it, I flew out to shut the water supply. I try to remind myself to always locate the outside shutoff under the access cover and the valve works. Many times the shutoff valves do not operate or close fully. I have caps and we'll say to call plumber.

    Ron, that nut buster, I didn't think that would catch a flange bolt. I think the local O'Reilly's has them. A customer took off to get one, he was removing bowl. He left, I got my battery grinder and cut the nut, pried it off. But, the grinding sparks slightly stained the porcelain bowl, the other side I protected well.

    I think the ideal height is 1/4" (thickness of flange)above finish floor. The recess under the bowl for the wax ring is usually approximately 1/2", leaving the 1/4" gap for the wax to fill.
     
  5. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    CPVC does get brittle and likes to break. I Was doing a job for Lowes a couple months ago and my partner had a pipe break while pulling a toilet. He jammed his finger in the pipe hard enough to stop the flow while I ran outside and shut the water off. That coulda been one expensive job if he wasn't able to plug the pipe while I shut the water off. We were hooking up the washing machine and that pipe broke too. Luckily the water was already off. That experience led us to not work for Lowes any more but that can happen on any job for any shop or customer. Whatever we made on the toilets went to the plumber for the pipe repairs. Everything was on the 2nd floor. If there was water spraying for what would seem like an eternity while I shut off the water... I would have to keep resetting toilets to pay for the one that got away.
     
  6. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    I remember moving washing machines out from bi-fold door rooms like closets and the rubber hoses had balloons on them like they were pregnant and ready to deliver. Asked them to get hoses, metal reinforced ones, and I would change them out when I put the washer back. They were more than willing to help.

    More often than not, the shut offs on these washers did not work. I used to shut off the water and connect the hot to the cold and then turn the water back on. At least you could have water in the sink for the job.
     
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  7. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Did a big vinyl tile kitchen once where the owners son took everything out. I was there when he was hooking up the fridge when the valve broke and 1/2" water line was flooding my kitchen floor. When he yelled, I ran downstairs and found the main shutoff. They didn't know where it was. Trailer houses have a different size of toilet in them that the hole is like 12" from the wall.
     
  8. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    I just love this thread, but I have to tell all, I retired in 2010 and don't miss any of this one bit. Get up around 7:30 tomorrow, watch the news, have a coffee and breakfast, relax, no pressure. Take the car down for an oil change in the afternoon. Life is good.

    I hope some of the information here helps new guys and old timers, this is a great resource and reference site. I think everyone here is just great.
     
  9. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Finally found someone that had the plastic connector on a stainless supply line, flooded their house not too bad, they had couple wood floors but a lot of tile, guess it was dated. They had restoration company was going to do Floors but he declined.
     

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  10. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    Mike, I used to use those all the time, they are great. You only tighten them hand tight, they have a nice rubber gasket to give a good seal.
     
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  11. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I was thinking it was maybe uneven pressure from not lining up straight. They were out of town, have a big RV in garage they're staying in while all the Reno is being done.
     
  12. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    I have a friend that had the supply line break in the exact same spot. Water ran for 2 days on a bank owned condo before the neighbors called because their places started to flood. I think he only got $20 to R/R the toilet in the first place.
     
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  13. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    We were not plumbers and we used to do a lot of pull and reset, but it was much better to leave it to a plumber. I didn't have enough room in my truck for all the tools I needed to do floors, never mind plumber supplies. The customer could do his own toilet or we would call a local plumbing shop to do the job. I think they had 5 or 6 trucks on the road and they were stocked with parts. A lot of these homes had iron drain pipes and the flange would be broken or rusted out from a leaky seal. The plumber had everything he needed to melt lead and put a new flange back on the pipe. They liked it too, because sometimes they would sell a new toilet to the customer and get that old 5 gallon toilet replaced. The store would schedule the bath for first job, 8 am, so we had all day if they had bad or rotted plywood to replace. Worked for all of us. Glad I don't have to worry about that stuff anymore.
     
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  14. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    I'll pull them but I won't set them. Figure what the hell. I'm not overly concerned with liability, bet my tune changes when it goes for shat some day but i figure hey, I'm good to life maybe it will be good to me.
     
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  15. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    I remember pulling a toilet to do a floor and the building inspector came by and chewed my a$$ because I pulled the toilet. I had to convince him the plumber was coming back to set the toilet. The owners of the home thought he was out of line. These guys make very little money, but they got all kinds of power.
     
  16. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    OK, so if I am being truthful... I pull and set toilets, dishwashers, washer/dryer. I have built toilets from the boxes. Installed a laundry sink.... nothing really scares me off (it probably should though)

    I'll basically do just about anything if it's gonna pay me. The store I work through, they think different and for good cause so on their work I toe the line which is good too.
     
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  17. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Life may be good to this couple.(car garage) Thinking today our rates just went up, also thinking how Jim said "you're not going to retire broke are you" I got a short time to get there. Really it's just for this area that we've had two extremely difficult removals.

    I charge 25$ per appliance, 75$ to pull and temporary set bowl. ( prior to installer putting floor in) brother usually sets them. The charge usually motivates the homeowner, saves us time.
     

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  18. seamsealer

    seamsealer Pro Member

    I can do all that stuff too, sweat fitting pipes, and so on, but mostly for myself. I've been retired since 2010 and loving it.
     
  19. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    I used to do all that crap because I was a money hungry SOB. Been stung a few times and now I don’t touch it. I made granny unhook her own washing machine today before I moved it.
     
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  20. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    LOVE IT!!
     
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