Help: Commercial Carpet Seams are Frizzing

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by TwoStar, May 3, 2010.

  1. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I just got a brain fart. There is a certain carpet that will fray if you breathe on it wrong. Its a Mohawk product and the backing is woven interlock. Its a white latex type backing. As soon as you cut it you are to latex the edge very gingerly by applying the latex and using a downward motion rub it into the edge with your thumb. Then when glueing it down the honey sealer was recommended. But they may say the acrilyc can be used now, I'm not sure. Back in the days when I started it was called knitted.
    Is this anything like you are installing.

  2. DJ

    DJ Charter Member

    now your talking bow and skew:yesss: are these seams frizzing all the way:blink: or in sections? did you have a problem meeting the edges installing it?:(:yell::brick: (ie having to kick it up to meet more than normal:eek:) (did ya need a stretcher to put it together?.) were they the edges where the frizzing is occuring?:blink:
  3. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Daris, I haven't read an Interlock installation spec in quite a while. They still recommend cutting with a shears and immediately latexing the edges?
  4. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Quite frankly I haven't heard of the cutting it with shears but that was how we did it back in the 60's but then we didn't have razor knives then either. But I know the recommendation is sealing immediately. If the job is big enough they even send you the sealer to latex it. At least they used to.
    I'll see what I can find out.

  5. stullis

    stullis Charter Member Senior Member

    Most likely it is just the cheap low quality carpet that you are installing. :( :cool:
  6. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

  7. ortiz34

    ortiz34 2nd generation Senior Member

    sorry, that's incorrect.
    Some and I mean SOME have ravelguard but not most
    Never assume buddy, good luck
  8. TwoStar

    TwoStar Maybe Three

    So...I tried a few strips at home. Everything looked good no matter what I did. I have a big commercial job starting next wednesday. I will post my results/problems/successes after the first day. Thanks for the input and I will check in here in case anyone has anymore ideas.
  9. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    I use to row cut most commercial carpets and then I would inspect the edge for " row stability". If it's sturdy and sound, then 1/8'' honey or acrylic one side.If it's not sturdy then figure out why and come up with a plan to fix. If the trimmed edge hasn't cut into the loops but the loops are still weak then I did a pre-sealing of the seam with Latex Sealer and let it dry. Then seal it again with the Honey for a super sealed seam. Overkill ? maybe, but once you master the technique it takes very little time and it helps build up those thigh muscles.

    I also found that some row cutters have a thicker gage steel and will not trim certain products properly, no matter how you try it, straight up and down, slight angle in or out, they just cut to close and like everyone is saying this will cause the frizzing. Sorry, but it pays to have 4 types of trimmers, two cushion back/top cutters and two loop pile cutters from different manufactures, for me it was Crain and Roberts. It pays to play with those extra scrap pieces to get it right. My Dad's motto was " Quality doesn't Cost----- it Pays!"

    Good question Two star or shall I say Three star after receiving all this great advise from the Pro's

  10. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I use the crain 301 most of the time. I too have many different cutters. Orcon, crain, roberts, and the iceburg. Some footed, some not. Also many row finders, everything from a comb, knitting needle, pens, bent leg awl, screwdrivers, and the crain and roberts models.
  11. strip buster

    strip buster my way is the best way. Charter Member

    i feel this is the problem....i haven't read past this post but will after(cart b4 horse) BUT IS VITAL. some material need ur blade on the outer,i do it all the time..! unlike over there,i put my cpt in wet and that gives u more time to work the everyone y let it flash ? plz. the backing needs to absorb a bit of glue and,and, less stress on the cpt ptting it in wet. less stress means straighter lines.....but what do i know.
  12. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    We have some backings over here that if you put in wet will absorb all the glue into the backing and you will have no holding power.

    I still remember the nightmare of a job, three of us drove 250 miles to do a 600 yd glue down in a fitness center. Young and stupid, we slammed that thing in, all the seams were peaking. Ah, leave it overnight!! We slept on the floor there. Next morning the seams were six inches off the floor, NO glue to tranfer, all soaked into the Enhancer back.It took us 20 hours to peel the seams, add glue, let it flash and put the seams back in. NOW we had to CLEAN all the adhesive off the edges. What a mess, just thankfull we got paid!!

    We had figured a 24 hour marathon turn for some good coin!! Ended up taking us three days!! LOL!! First the rental box van broke, they wanted to give us another but we had no way to transfer 600 yd of Enhancer back carpet. Get to the job site the key doesn't work, had to rout the job super out of bed to let us in, then the seam nightmare. Finally on the way home Dave gets a speeding ticket at 4 AM.
  13. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    Some carpets call for the glue to be set up to be tacky before set in. The last job I did with carpet like that, all the rows were straight and the seams looked great. Or didn't look at all, rather.

    This is the only top cutter I will use : Crain carpet cutter
  14. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Kyle, I have 2 of those. The old one has a wooden handle, the new one is plastic.
  15. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    mine's wood, only five years old though. That one I linked to looks plastic. Wood's nicer in my opinion.
  16. Al Gladden

    Al Gladden stretcherman Charter Member

    i have cutters from all different manufacturers.. i hace a loop pile cutter from roberts,crain,taylor and orcon.. i have top cutters from roberts,crain,taylor,orcon,gundlach.. so i have a variety of cutters .you can never be to prepared..
  17. TwoStar

    TwoStar Maybe Three the link for woven interlock there is a reference to a "white chain". I don't know what woven interlock is. there a certain row in a carpet I should be aiming for? One that won't fray as much. I know that many carpets have (bunched?) rows where the cutting is harder. Does this fact come into play when choosing a row to cut in? Is there any other information/choices that a backwood hick like me doesn't know but should?

    Oh...and the Two Star name,

    My company name is Five Star Flooring. We did a job where I chose to do the job right which meant it took longer. Longer, not more expensive. Two days instead of one. When we came back on the second day my card was on the fridge with 3 of the stars crossed out and the "Five" changed to a "Two". It turns out the home owner wanted it done on Thursday instead of done right. Just one of the life lessons that I have learned in 12 years of self-employment.
  18. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hi Five Star,

    I may be presuming something that's not their, it's what I do, I read something or shall I say read into something and then run with it. This is just my opinion/ observation :) Maybe by sharing what the life lesson learned was, will perhaps eliminate or validate my below opinion. :hu:

    I understand the intended comedy behind the Two Star name, but for me, I think it's unwise to hold onto that name, as it was given with disrespectful intent by someone who obviously had some issues. I say replace that memory with the personal appreciation of the quality work you achieved and become Five Star Again.

    Appreciative, none appreciative and even some evil customers will come and go, the key is to stay centered with good values, not allowing the customers opinions or agenda to change our integrity, which Five Star did :dance: but what's up with the statement " Two Star, an Opinionated Flooring Guy" that doesn't sound centered to me ? :hmmm: :)

  19. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    Anyone who would like to have a name change (including capitalizing the first letters ;)), can have that done just by letting me know in a PM or by sending me an email. I'd be happy to oblige. :D

    Last edited: Oct 20, 2018 at 4:01 PM
  20. TwoStar

    TwoStar Maybe Three

    I probably shouldn't have veered off topic like that. Sorry.

    I understand and appreciate the concern about the name. I tell you what. That one incident changed the way I see my business. It opened my eyes that a huge part of this job is dealing with people(they are almost as uncontrollable as the bow and skew of pattern). It really is a good memory for me. My intentions every time I step on the job site, now, is to earn each and every star. Know what I mean? Of course you do. A saying that we repeat almost daily at work is "flowers in the pockets". This is a reference to a true story that I read once about a janitor seeing, for the first time, little flowers painted on the inside of the pockets of angel statues that he worked around every day. The flowers were painted, not for the people paying the artist, they were for God, I assume. This helps us stay balanced and focused on quality. I need to remember the 2 stars and the FIP's. It keeps me growing instead of becoming bored. Thanks for the concern and thanks for the offer.

    Now for my first question...the frizzing? might it be a bad choice of row to cut or is there some other choices/concerns that I might not be considering? In other words, do you just cut any row, or is there more to it?

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