Heavy tiles concern

Discussion in 'Ceramic and Stone Q&A' started by Philomene, Oct 14, 2017.

  1. Kman

    Kman Tile Expert I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    How would you remove only 1/2" and leave 1/4"
     
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  2. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    You can grind down the “mud” don’t breathe the dust. It’s specialized equipment and a bit of skill.

    I dislike anything under tile(ditra,sheet membrane,sheet vinyl,electric wires,asbestos)

    Let’s see some pictures
     
  3. Philomene

    Philomene Member

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  4. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    I think that is the most mortar i have ever seen under a tile and there are still voids. Did you ever get an answer as to why they were using so much mortar??

    Also in your first picture am i just crazy or is that middle tile tilted from right to left and the one to the left of it looks tilted left to right?
     
  5. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    He told me my floor he needed to level my floor but now i realize that my floor was not as bad before. The second picture shows the tiles 2x2 that was installed 1/8”-3/8” each tiles so this is why i have now that much thinset (Chembound 8400) under the tile i removed. Now he left the job before we could tell him his mistake. I had another guy who came to bid on the job and told us we have to distruct everything and start over $$$$$$. Scrap the schluter, wires etc and restart with selfleveling cement. I have an architect who came and said that we should just continue as is and just redo the first 3 steps of the staircase. But I don’t know if i will be able to find someone who wants to continue somebody’s else mess unless we do it ourself, and we never did that before...

    No pattern in the tile they are all the same. Is that your questions?
     
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  6. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    I was just saying your tile look uneven.
     
  7. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I’d like to reiterate “25 years experience” doesn’t mean a damn thing to me!


    Is there lippage? That pic to me does seem unlevel, do you have a level to put on both pieces of Travertine to see if they are not tilted opposing directions?
     
  8. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    They are level but going higher 1/8” each tile from left to right. From one tile to another we don’t feel a bump.
     
  9. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    No they are even he just installed them with a slope.
     
  10. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    this is even more confusing.
    why are your tiles sloped?

    Better question, take out all of the heart ache and nonsense you have been through. Are you happy with your tile?
     
  11. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    Thanks for asking, i am so stress by the situation, it’s good to look at the good side!
    Honestly i think it is good in general, the only problem is one part that has that slope, and it is around 30 tiles that could be remove or not. I could always live with the slope ( once it is all finished) i could put a carpet on the worse area. My 2 biggest fears is

    -will it unbound
    -will i find someone who will want to finish that job.

    Since he used Chembound 8400 to raise my floor makes me worry so much. It’s a product from Mapei but they don’t want to tell if this installation is going to be fine since it is not in the instructions to do it that way.

    By the way, some parts was done two weeks ago and nothing is showing a debounding, except, one that was covered by a cardboard with his tools over it. It could have been like that since the installation, I never touch his belongings, so i can’t tell if the bounding was even done.....
     
  12. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    Also no reason that i can find for the slope. He just forgot to put his level? We really don’t understand, he keep saying that it was expensive. I told him to lower slowly, but he did the opposite. I trusted him too much. I should have checked with my level. He kept saying that my floor was terrible, but every tiles are raised so there is a problem with his level!
     
  13. Kman

    Kman Tile Expert I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    Something I hadn't thought of until I saw your pictures: I bet your heating system is going to have to work full-time just to get any heat through to the surface, and it may be rendered moot altogether. You don't mention where you are located, but if you're up north I would be willing to bet you'll spend a large amount of money to keep that system running non-stop for very little, if any, benefit.

    Sad to say, I would have to agree with the earlier suggestion that was presented to you, to start over. There's no harm in trying to remove the thinset down to the mat, and maybe if you're lucky you can do it without damage to the wire. If you are able to do that, test, re-test, and re-re-test the wire before starting back. As you probably already know, do not turn the system on until the tile is installed and has gone through the proper dry-time.
     
  14. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    This at least should not create a problem for her. Ironically enough, it should actually work much better. It will not be as quick to heat but it will have a much greater thermal load. The heat will not disaapate as rapidly because of the increase in density of the material it has to transfer through. I did way too much research on thermal hydronic radiant heat, this was the concensus. I know the ditra heat is wires but none the less one less thing to worry over :)
     
  15. Kman

    Kman Tile Expert I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    Not sure I agree with that, Mark, but regardless, it's still putting the wire in a situation that it's not designed for. Another concern is, how hot will the wire be before the desired temperature is reached up top? Will the system shut the heat off before the tile is actually to the correct temperature? Is the customer going to lose 5-10 degrees because of the excessive thickness? Remember, the gauge for the temperature is buried within the mat. Not to say there won't be any heat felt on the surface, but certainly not what it should be due to the distance between the wire and the surface.

    The only remedy is to crank the temp up way over what is normal, (there is a maximum setting on the control) and hope the tile warms up as desired. Meanwhile, you could catch a cool breeze outside off the electric meter spinning. :)

    Also, thinset mortars have minimum and maximum thicknesses. I can guarantee it's beyond the minimum, and likely beyond the maximum. There's a reason for that.
     
  16. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    I am in Montreal. But the guy who wants to start over, wants to remove the schluter as well. Everything has to be destroy.
     
  17. Kman

    Kman Tile Expert I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    I understand why he wants to do that. He doesn't want to be responsible for saving the wire, in case it doesn't work when he's finished. The original installer could have damaged it, and not known it.

    That's why I said if you get it demolished and appear to have saved the wire, test it several times, to be sure it's working right.
     
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  18. Philomene

    Philomene Member

    We checked them all the time. But this is too extreme i have 4 kids and can’t afford to move and redo the job. Expecially the cost would be more than double. My kitchen is in storage for the past 3 months because of the tiles. I will have to continue and change tiles one by one when they unbound. I am loosing sleep over this and can’t take it anymore. Thanks for your advice guys. Can i find an expert in Montreal to help me on your forum?
     
  19. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I say proceed forward, I never liked those warming systems under tile, I’d like to know how many break over time.
     
  20. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    I wish i had the time to take off to Montreal, i miss that city. It is a gem. Best of luck finding someone to help you with getting this nonsense taken care of. I wish you all the best.
     
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