from the NWFA listserve

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by selvalee, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. selvalee

    selvalee No one special Senior Member

    I got this from the NWFA about thier listserve email forum,
    seems I question their inspectors program one too many times,
    comments from actualy people who work in the biz as oppose to those who never have installed wood flooring? My opinion in blue. They highlighted the warning to me in red.

    Selva Lee Tucker

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  2. selvalee

    selvalee No one special Senior Member

    Re: from the NWFA

    just got another email, reporting me to "ED", so, I said, yep, speaking to truth is not a right, it is a duty,
  3. Nick Arrera

    Nick Arrera Resting In Peace

    Re: from the NWFA

    Do you benefit from being on their list Sel ? For me personaly , i would never join a club or group that would have me as a member .. we need guys like you siffing through the bull , and letting out the truth ..
  4. selvalee

    selvalee No one special Senior Member

    Re: from the NWFA

    hell, Nick,
    I have been trying for six months to get kicked off!
    I have insulted them, well, by telling the truth about them,
    now, in truth, I made a joke about shooting carpet cleaning inspectors but they had nothing to worry about since I am such a bad shot, so bad in fact, that deer laugh at me, that big bucks kick dirt in my face,,,

    some people just don't have a sense of humor,
    and, being honest, I also question why Armstrong would send an instructor to thier inspector class but will not use or hire said same inspectors directly but only thru L&N??? and, asked what does that tell us, using a brokerage service????

    and I question why they use want to rewrite standards to a lower level than current standards? which, in my opinions, so, I guess they are saying I can not express my opinion, I have to only say what they want,, and never question wrong info, which I have publicly, and, always say everything they do is right but, to me,
    1. who will benifit from lowering standards of milling and grading? Answer - the manufacturers.
    2. who will pay for this? the enduser? sometimes
    3. who will pay for this? the retailer? sometimes
    4. who will pay for this? the installer more than them since they will say it "meets standards" so the installer, when it looks bad from the milling or he can not get it together well is at fault , saying he is not good. And, the grading appearance? well, they will blame the installer saying he should have culled it,,,,
    5. who wants this? the low endmanufacturers and the organization that is giving them a means to do this by collecting money from the low end manufacturers.... I wonder, if an organization will pay a bonus for more money collected? is this a power grab? what is the purpose?
    and yes, I know where they burried Jimmy Hoffa! ok, I don't, just kidding.
  5. Floorguy

    Floorguy The Living Dead Charter Member Senior Member

    Re: from the NWFA

    Never been over there, Lee. What were you being out spoken Selva over there, and they didn't like it?

    They like the K.I.S.S. method in the NWFA, ya, know. No going off the deep end. :)
  6. selvalee

    selvalee No one special Senior Member

    Re: from the NWFA

    I know, I know, I have to behave,
    a few buds told me I am too old for this, but at my age, they are right, I should just sit here in my chair, watching TV waiting to die, yep, just sit here, wait to die, and, never challenge the evil doers! wait, wait, wait, wait, that is against national policy! :dance: :dance: :dance: :zzz: :coffee: :help: :poke: :dance:

    you know, I have been challenged not to stir anything up for six months, now,lets be realistic, how about a week?

    how about this, you guys, starting tomorrow, do all you can to rile me up! and see how I respond,,, who thinks I can last a week? but wait, Perry has to be here also, there has to be two of us, and the rest go at us,,, just nothing personal like about my cats and late dog, cats and puppies are off limits because there are limits,,, right!???
    ok Perry, do you think you can last a week?
  7. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    Re: from the NWFA

    I have no doubt you had a legitimate beef with someone or something, Selva, but that ListServ is just like another forum (only in email instead of on a website). What goes on at other discussion groups really shouldn't be discussed here for a couple of reasons. One, it's possible some of the people on that other discussion group aren't members here and so can't discuss the issues you have here. Two, some of the people here don't belong to that group and can't see all of the discussions that led up to the issues you are discussing here. It boils down to being fair to all those involved and that is impossible to do in a situation like this. That's why we have rule number 4:
    If we don't allow the discussion of the hacking and disruption that takes place at the FCI forum and we don't discuss the attacks against our forum or our members that go on at, then we can hardly make exceptions for the issues you are having at the NWFA listserve group.

    If it's a place to discuss industry issues, you are in the right place. If some other forum won't let you talk about the pros and cons of inexperienced inspectors, the differences between independent inspectors and brokerages and the importance of training in any segment of the industry, we are very happy to offer a place to discuss those issues in full.

    But we also stop short of disparaging one segment of the industry or another. There are those who don't participate here because we discourage attacks against other individuals we don't happen to agree with. Some think it's their right to tell another person they are stupid. It's not. You can tell someone you think they are wrong and you can attack an idea or a situation, but let's not turn against our own, even when you vehemently disagree with them.

    If we didn't care about professionalism, it wouldn't be part of our name. Even though some of us may have done some quite unprofessional things in our lives and careers, it in no way diminishes our desire to do better now and into the future.

    I will not close this discussion now, but I would like to see it change course. I hope you all understand.

    PS: I moved it because it isn't specifically about inspections, but if it becomes so, I'll move it back. :)
  8. selvalee

    selvalee No one special Senior Member

    for friendship sake, will wait, one week, are you trying to get me to rant and rave? lose bet? nope, :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :p
  9. mike fink

    mike fink kING OF THE RIVER Charter Member

    SLT last a week, I don't think so.
    lets see if he can last 2 days

    Some one just told me that your a life time member of the NICFI.
    And your on there board, how come you always take about this group when your so involved with them.

    I also heard the you are doing inspections for an outfit in tampa, under a differant name so no one will know its you LOVE MIKE

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