Fired up about Mannington Adura Max...Made in China

Discussion in 'Vinyl Flooring Q&A' started by bikz, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    the edges do break off.... that is if you install it like laminate. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck but this time around its kind of a swan.

    I remember the first time I tried to install LVP laminated products. That was funny for about 10 minutes. Then I sat down and realized I was not installing something I was familiar with at all. Hit the reset button on that, tried a different approach and well, money is still in the bank.

    They sure are a different beast and I can see consumers who have worked with traditional laminates being frustrated, Lord knows I was, however it is a very good system.

    Also found said review site. That place is hilarious. Every flooring is terrible, pick a brand, pick a product.... terrible!! This is why I hate reviews. Just a grump fest of anger. Probably bound to get worse the more we get into the DIY universe.
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  2. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I looked up Tesla reviews and no longer want one , used for about 40k, I’m trying to go electric. Consumer Reports will pull recommendations, Little late after someone purchases.
  3. Tom Potter

    Tom Potter I Support TFP

    I'll co sign that!
    Mannington has definitely held up their end and more over the years. There's been jobs where the customer was a complete a$$ and their complaints were their own doing. Where the customer wouldn't listen to anyone in the shop about it's not an issue with the manufacturer. To our entire staff's disappointment, replaced the entire job!!
    They really are great to work with! Our rep is really an awesome guy too.
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  4. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    Good reps make all the difference in the world. Good representative makes for good reputation. This is my understanding.
  5. Marvin8

    Marvin8 New Member

    Huh? Adura Max IS a floating/click system.

    Also, how difficult would it be to install Adura Max click on the diagnonal?
  6. My point is that they are two entirely different constructions and as such, perform differently in the presence of direct sunlight (also known as thermal expansion/contraction).

    Think of Adura Max as plywood and Adura LockSolid as a piece of solid hardwood. Solid hardwood will expand and contract much more than a piece of plywood due to the cross-ply construction. Same thing with Adura Max and Adura Locksolid, the construction of Adura Max is less susceptible to moving. (No, it is not a cross-ply construction, just using it as an analogy with regard to comparing movement). The solid rigid core of Adura Max just doesn't expand and contract as much as the softer flexible Adura LockSolid.

    While I have not heard rumblings to the effect, it would not surprise me if, down the road, the LockSolid format goes away and Adura Max becomes it's replacement. Mannington has already dropped the LockSolid format in their commercial offering since coming out with a rigid core product (City Park) on the commercial side. I could see with the way sales are trending towards Adura Max and away from Adura LockSolid that the same thing will happen in the residential offering.

    Yes, it can be installed on a diagonal. However, because you can't use your cut pieces to start your next row so your waste factor increases significantly. Instead of the normal 5-10% you may want to figure as much as 25% overage to make sure you have enough to complete the job.

    Sorry for any confusion and hope this helps explain.
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  7. flooringbrothers

    flooringbrothers Pro Member

    Bikz, I'm so sorry about your experience. I'm a flooring retailer and if you had come into my shop I would have educated you about flooring. We try to sell only made in the USA products whenever possible. Any floor that is an LVT/laminate combination is made in China. Bamboo is all made in China. The glues they use to create these products US manufacturers will not touch. Waterproof is a marketing tactic that is not such a great idea when you think about it. You have a leak somewhere and you don't know until there is major mold and rot. If you have a flood it's an abatement anyway. Green products I would recommend would be made in the USA from USA forest hardwoods, EarthWeave carpets, linoleum, cork, Tandus-Centiva for an LVT product (only the Event line is made in China)and most tile.
    Not the case here, but it can happen that one day a product is made in one place and the next another. This happened to this with Kahrs. It's been made in Europe for over 160 years. One day we ordered a floor and it came in labeled Made in China. I called the company. Some of their floors are now made there and others now in Eastern Europe. Also happened with Shaw laminates. One day the rep says they are all made in China now. So we only show one made in Germany.

    Beware of floors that are labeled US something. They are probably not made in the USA. We're an unusual store in that we haven't ever had a floor fail on us in over 20 years. The reason is two fold: PROPER installation (This means we don't send out installers to your house. 99.00 room install? Great. That means if it fails you get 99.00 back instead of the thousands you spent on the floor) AND NOT carrying products we feel have problems!
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  8. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    My personal opinion is that not all products made outside of the US are bad. Many are, but not all. As far as I know, AduraMAX is still produced in China and other countries, but it is a quality product and Mannington will back it, even has it FloorScore certified.

    Welcome to TFP, @flooringbrothers. I believe we are neighbors, living just 40-some odd miles apart (I live in Quincy). Glad to have you here.
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  9. flooringbrothers

    flooringbrothers Pro Member

    Thank you. I agree. We sell Mannington hardwoods made in Guatemala and they are high quality. Of course tiles from Italy and Spain are usually top notch. I like to support American manufacturing whenever possible, especially when the product is great.
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