Drugs, drugs, and more drugs

Discussion in 'Taking a Break From Flooring' started by Tandy Reeves, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    I have no doubt that is the impetus for many. The movies glamorized prohibition during (and after) my childhood. It made glamorizing some drugs part of our culture. The people we hold in the highest regard (we call them heroes and idols when they don't deserve the titles), sports and movie stars use them to enhance their performances, celebrate their triumphs or help them forget their travails. We wanted nothing more than to emulate them. And many of us were equally influenced by our peers - those we wanted to be like and be liked by.

    I fell into that world when I took my first drink as a teen with an inferiority complex. I had my first drink because I so much wanted to fit in. My parents didn't drink, but every pretty girl and popular guy drank. The first time I drank, I got drunk and blacked out. It didn't scare me.

    It wasn't long before I was in the Army and stationed in Germany. I swear, there is very, very little I remember of the 6 months I was there. I got wasted on 3 German beers my first night. The last day I spent in Germany, I drank 23 German beers. Boy was I proud.

    My first taste of drugs came in Vietnam. I smoked some pot with people I trusted and liked it better than drinking. Maybe if it was a legal drug I wouldn't have got interested in other drugs, maybe not. I do remember discovering that diet medication helped me stay awake on guard duty. The over-the-counter stuff lost its appeal when a friend introduced me to French speed. It was the kind that came in a break-away capsule to be injected, but somehow I escaped ever sticking a needle in my arm. I did, however, become a regular user of that drug any time I needed to be "extra alert."

    Heroin wasn't nearly as prevalent in Nam as Opium. I smoked a lot of it and remember being sick for about 2 weeks when I stopped using it so I would be fit to come home. Although I never smoked Opium again, I did get around to just about everything else in the next 15 years. I swallowed, snorted or smoked anything. By then it wasn't about being like or liked. It was who I was. Sadly, there were some who wanted to be like me or liked by me.

    I s'pose there was a time I looked for someone or something to blame it all on. I wondered how it all got started. But the reality is that people have been getting high for a variety of reasons since the beginnings. If enough people make it okay, it's okay. We just don't pick our mentors very well. Many of us idolize all the wrong people. We take our influences from TV, movie and sports stars. If they do it, it must be okay. If they get notoriety, maybe we will be more popular, smarter or better looking. Maybe we'll get the girl.

    It took me a very long time to find out that life didn't work very well drunk and loaded. Even after I sobered up 25 years ago, for a long time, I thought I was doomed to live a boring existence. Boy was I wrong.

  2. Tandy Reeves

    Tandy Reeves Resting In Peace Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Wow! You guys really answer a question when asked. I guess I really lived a sheltered life. Booz was the thing when I was growing up. Drugs were no where to be found in my area and it was a time when your parents took real good care of dicipline.

    How times have changed and how can we get our young people to once again have pride in themselves and join the human race. Thanks for your remarks.
  3. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    I answered as best I can Tandy. And, stuff like this will always be around, the names might be changed, the people doing it may look different, but there will always be a form of intoxication that will damage people in excess. There has been and will be.
  4. twomly

    twomly Pro Member

    Such a difficult subject if it was just pot i'd have to say follow Hollands example of this and legalise it to only be sold in regulated cafes. Its still illegal to walk around in public puffing away, but by doing what they've done with this drug makes its no longer a taboo thing to do so its no longer cool. By doing this they have gained control of canibus, also they have eliminated the coolness and the danger. You see i have a theroy on this and its just a theroy, human beings brains are hard wired for danger and excitment take driving for example we all like a bit of speed it invokes our happy endorfines in our brains to release that chemical that gives us butterflies in our bellies its the feel good factor, and we feel good.
    So if you eliminate the danger by this i mean control, regulation and decriminalisation of certain drugs and make it available so they don't go skullking around street corners looking for a dealer thats the danger and excitment gone, would the youth of today walk into a public store and buy it some may still do but the upshot would mean the majority would now see it as no longer cool cause its no longer a taboo thing to do.
    The youth of today always wether you like it or not want to try anything thats a taboo so drinking, smoking, sex and then drugs all fall into taboo so some excitment comes from being able to get away with it and not get caught.
    Most drug related deaths are caused by greedy dealers cutting their product with other chemicals to make it go further and maximise their profit this is very bad for the users control and regulation will stop this.
    Please everyone these are just my thoughts don't be offended, i'm not condoning drugs and saying its ok i just feel our goverments of the world can not keep brushing this to one side our young ones are expossed to this every day its time something got done to stop the young ones from dying.

  5. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    And if ya take away speed limits, I won't speed anymore either.........:ohno:
  6. Kman

    Kman Tile Expert I Support TFP Senior Member Published

    Fortunately, never got into any of it. I don't know all the reasons that I didn't, but I just never had the desire. I have seen it first-hand for many years now and the damage it can do to users and their friends and families.

    This year alone, I have spent almost $20,000 trying to get my son off prescription drugs. I don't know if it's worked or not, and just because it's been a good day today doesn't mean he won't fall headlong into it again tomorrow. He lost a career job that was paying him $30,000 a year plus benefits (and he was only 20 years old at the time) and has collection agencies after him because he can't pay his debts. He'll be lucky to get anything more than a minimum wage job for the next year or two, and he's got a monkey on his back for the rest of his life. I've spent enough on him this year to buy myself a new work truck. That's nothing compared to the heartache and worry his mother and I have gone through in the past seven months. If I took the time I spent on this situation and actually spent it working, I could probably have bought two work trucks. For those who think it's a victimless crime, this is for you: :eh:

    I don't think there's any single thing you can point to and say, "This is the reason people get hooked on drugs." It's different for every person. But it's true, when you use for the first time, you don't know if you'll be using it again occasionally, once a week, once a month, or every day for the rest of your life in a full-blown addiction. You also don't know if it'll be your last day on earth, and you don't know the true costs it has on you physically for many years (right, Jim?)

    For those reasons, I don't understand why people want to start in the first place. :confused:
  7. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    Man these stories are heartbreaking. I was an all in substance abuser, being a preachers kid was the reason I used......pretty stupid, but so was using.
    Anyhow, my 3 kids have just been the opposite, thank God. I don't know how I would cope if any of them followed my lead.
    What's your sons name K, need it for my list.........
  8. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    So true. Sometimes the consequences don't take their toll until long after stopping the addiction cycle. Even though my lung disease is not solely because of drugs, they played a part. I've given up wondering if I'd be sucking air through a hose in my nose had I not got strung out on cocaine, smoked so much pot or inhaled all them other drugs. But I know they had an effect.

    The saddest part is so many people refuse to learn by others' mistakes. They think there's enough time in their life to make their own mistakes and recover from them. I am proof positive that it doesn't always work that way.

  9. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    These sort of statements are patently offensive. The "greatest generation" gave us the Hells Angels. What do you suppose we can infer about the entire generation from that?
  10. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    And the generation before me gave the world the atom bomb!! The generation of 40 year olds gave us the absolute worst time wasting invention ever...cell phones. We can look at each generation and find something that is not good.

    It does seem that in the last 40-50 years there has been a plethora of scourges laid on the world. Wars, earthquakes, food shortage, plagues, etc. Common decency and kindness has all but vanished in many areas. Corporate greed (as in mortgage bail-out) and an uncaring attitude has become all too common.

    Individually we need to do a self assesment as to how we want to be perceived and how to live our lives. That may mean some changes for some of us. If you do this self analysis, please make the changes, our children's children will thank you!

    If this is too political feel free to delete!
  11. hookknife

    hookknife Hard Surface Installer Charter Member Senior Member

    I agree with RG. If you take society as a whole and not break it down into individual inventions etc. As a whole societies morals etc are declining with each successive generation.
  12. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    This is exactly my point.

    I just wonder what curmudgeons think of my stepson when they see him with his gaged ears, hip-hop ball cap, ipod headphones and over-sized hoodie sweatshirt.

    Then I wonder if they can do Calculus as well as he can or understand a percent of the TCP/IP implementation that he does.

    He's 17.

    Those that pine for "the good old days" typically are looking through the blurry spectacles of time. In many instances, those days were far worse than memory serves. Blanket condemnations of "those durn kids" can be found as far back as our written history goes. None of them seem to have come true.
  13. hookknife

    hookknife Hard Surface Installer Charter Member Senior Member

    I don't believe it is "how they look" so much as it is "what they do". The "uni bomber" was a smart man, but was he good?
  14. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    Oh, he's a fun one, isn't he? Smartest guy in the room... thinks technology is going to destroy the human race. The cognitive dissonance that must rage through that man's head is really hard to get a grasp of.

    And no, he is a bad man because he harms others due to his delusion.
  15. hookknife

    hookknife Hard Surface Installer Charter Member Senior Member

    Lol, yea. I think back to some of the schools I went to as a kid, regular schools regular problems of my teen years. Now these same schools have metal detectors and security, Kids are shot and killed, is this a sign of things staying the same or progressing for the worse?
  16. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    How about this:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hw308nZrLY]YouTube - Smoke Inhalation[/ame]

    I know making fun of a serious problem.

  17. hookknife

    hookknife Hard Surface Installer Charter Member Senior Member

    Hey Dude where is the Doritos???
  18. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Well, if history serves me right, the Great World powers of history Babylon, Egypt, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, all came to an end because of a decay of discipline and moral values.

    Prime example is Rome, history tells us that decaying morals and values, business and political corruption, and urban decay were instrumental in its overthrow. How did it happen? Parents wanted to give the next generation more and better, without their having to work for it. It became a generational decline "those darn kids" type of thing.

    If you like to read, the book "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" has a ton of great information. Plan on a couple of years to read it.:eek:
  19. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    We are a violent society. This is simply a progression of technology used to commit violence.

    A story of two countries:

    During the reign of the Soviet Union the US funneled arms into Afghanistan and schoolbooks into Oman with education for all. Now Oman is a benevolent monarchy with very little sectarian tension while Afghanistan is well... Afghanistan. Ruled by warlords and corruption; home to violence and terrorism. And yes, having Saudi Arabia as a neighbor undoubtedly helped Oman on it's path to peace.

    (I do not mean the above to be an endorsement or condemnation of past US policy in the region but I believe the results speak for themselves. It could have just as easily been the UK funneling the aid.)

    If you want peace, buy schoolbooks.
  20. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    So you're sayin that after you influence something it goes downhill fast? What's gonna happen to The Floor Pro, in a coupla years? :eek:

    Barry was it your idea to add him to the staff? :rolleyes:

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