Differences between CRI-105 and British Standards 5325 for stretching carpet

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by rusty baker, Jan 3, 2010.

  1. Jon Scanlan

    Jon Scanlan That Kiwi Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Strip we had standards here that where written by the NZ Master Flooring Contractors Assoc but as far as I am aware they haven't been updated for years. It seems here in NZ that we are just tagging every standard with Australia for all types of things
  2. strip buster

    strip buster my way is the best way. Charter Member

    there is right and wrong and i have never seen a set of standards just like most, i put out quality every time but i don't like it at all when pple who still put out good work get called a hack -cowboy- or what ever cause they do it differantly .( yes i speed sometimes yes i have paid the fines.) as i said the mini is more than enough for stretch and pulling out a power stretcher for small domestic work is overkill (imo),,,,ingnorant-hardly again something is assumed without seeing my work -the cycle continues....go look at best and worst you will see some of my work and then tell me i'm a hack cause i don't pull out a stretcher in drop rooms.:rolleyes:
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2010
  3. strip buster

    strip buster my way is the best way. Charter Member

    ur appalled they don't know it exists, and for the ones that have 'heard' about them in passing (from inspectors i'm sure to try and hang something on the installer that should fall at the feet of a mill).......i call bs on your standards and loved the one day an inspector showed up to a job(wish there were more of these)...cav bremworth. stick down,10m runs small pattern ran out 10cm -1%- inspector turned up and with all the inspectors wisdom he had he said well this material(expensive) really should be a stretch in.... i laughed and asked if i stretch it 1 -1.5% then i will have to stretch 20cm on the next run,he fumbled mumbled scratched somethin then offered the customer a discount.
    so you can treat the standards as the bible to hang an installer on and i'll use them if i run out of toilet paper.:D
  4. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Strip, I think we are actually in agreement for the most part. I totally back the premise that an inspector is failing utterly if uses an unrelated installation deficiency to relieve a mill of their responsibility. CRI documents state this is not to be done.

    The case you cite shows two flaws to the inspection process:
    1. Inspector opinions ("this should have been stretched in") have no bearing on the facts. The fact germane ot the claim would be if the carpet is in or not in tolerance for pattern issues.
    2. In 11 years of inspecting, I have never been given the latitude to settle a claim. Simply put my job is only to gather data and make a conclusion as to what caused the problem. Sounds to me like this was a mill employee not an inspector.

    Contrary to your belief, not all inspectors have a mission to blame the installer for all claims. As I have said numerous times, the largest increase in my volume, as well as the most profitable work I do, is re-inspections where installers, dealers and end users know their claim was denied from spurious conclusions by the original, and usually manufacturer commissioned, inspector. I do sleep well at night knowing I occasionally get to set right a wrong.

    The flip side of this coin is a good number of manufacturers I used to work for will no longer use me. As Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men: "Truth!!! You can't handle the truth!". Then there is what my grandfather said: "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said."

    So my final comment for this post is, following or ignoring standards is your choice, but ignorance of them removes any choice you have in the matter. I will not use standards to create an unjustified installer liability but certainly do hold the installer accountable to them. I am, at all times, cognizant my words will be costing someone money and I do not take this responsibility lightly.

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