Concrete flat/level/tolerance/high/low....

Discussion in 'Vinyl & Rubber Flooring Sales and Installations' started by MFloor, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. MFloor

    MFloor Pro Member

    That sub floor has a big tic tack toe made with the cracks,
    Not sure if i got a shot of the hallway, but i can move it about it inch, my thought was the 800 sf floor is twisted from those cracks, that it keeping the hall from being able to relax, highest spots i found were right before the hall.

    And i read somewhere the if you checking levelness over the floor, and find problems, they are actually worse, since the floating floor will well float.

    I can see the short ends are not tight like they should be, and to have them on every plank that is near those cracks

    I sat back and ate shit, and paid for the last 2 concrete jobs they claim i did something wrong on, since i did not have the facts to prove myself. But i have just been sitting back and covering my bases, waiting, and waiting for then to slide in thinking there going to pin that shit on me, nope,
  2. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    CYA is the name of the game. Half of these products people pick are crap but that's what pays the bills sometimes. New construction? Apartments? Usually lower end products but also usually a walk in the park.

    I don't grind concrete because I don't have the dust containment equipment for it so unless someone is willing to self level the entire place, which I am not in a position to do either, it's just better if I take a few pictures and then make a phone call. Grinding and self leveling take specialized equipment and manpower and I'm a one man show. Nobody likes that option but it is better than you getting stuck eating a floor.

    I look at it as I didn't sell the job and I didn't schmooze the customer out of their hard earned money for a crappy product that isn't necessarily the right product for the situation. I'm just the guy that showed up that day to install the product AS PER THE MANUFACTURERS INSTRUCTIONS. And if I can't do that then the best thing is for me to leave. Get a hobby. That way you won't mind going home when a job is out of your comfort zone.
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  3. Matt Lister

    Matt Lister Pro Member

    Wow, sounds like you are describing me, but without the Dyslexia. I am a retail store owner, and sub out the installs, cause I am too much of a perfectionist, that I would never make any money installing. I hate asking for help, but I love helping others. I too stress over the little things, or I worry what a customer is thinking about an install, and usually they never are thinking anything but how much they like it. I assume when a customer calls the week after an install, they are calling to complain, but usually it is just to say thanks, or that they are sending someone my way. It really does suck to be a worrier.
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I don't know much detail, but we got a call to grind some concrete on a job we did the tile and thinset removal on. The tile guy wants some spots grinded down. 18x18, we will give a good deal to get this portion of business started up.
  5. eaadams

    eaadams Sport Floor Pro

    I use a 8 or 10' magnesium screed (lighter). Often a 1/8" piece of VCT reducer is a help on the back. This pic is after 2 days of grinding.

    It is a major issue in resilient sport floors because there is no new school gym that has enough money in budget at end of project to self level or grind down 8000sf

    & in photo left is worker, middle superintendant (nice boots!) and right is tired worker.

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  6. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP


    That isn't even remotely good! and I'm sure it started a whole lot worse.
    I am so glad it isn't just me dealing with this crap. We just backcharge the concrete dumb dumbs... OK that isn't really true, but that is where it ends up. If they got paid for doing it, I have no problem taking it away from them for not doing their job right.
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  7. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    That is partly joint curl when the control joint dries faster and raises the slab at the joint line. So cover with vinyl and slab equalizes in moisture and they say the slab straightens back out. I don't think every joint flattens back out. We have split the difference of removal, say if it's curled 1/4", we'll take out 1/8" if it eventually flattens.

    On the high spot job we had we went over it with homeowner and tile contractor. Identified the high spots with laser almost throughout whole area, marked various spots and decided it wasn't worth breaking out equipment, his guy is going to spot grind one spot and fill others. We didn't charge. So now the tile contractor called, his guys walked on a 1300 ft removal after 100 ft and now we have all his removal jobs.
  8. Mark Brown

    Mark Brown On The Surface Flooring I Support TFP

    A few years ago i though, gee i should set up a demo/concrete prep and repair service for the floor covering industry. Then i though, gee there cannot be a need for this service. You sir, are living proof i am wrong. I was not aware that was possible... ;)
  9. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Gotta channel out for floor outlet today, dust containment is a job creator.

    It was a transition to prep/removal as it sustained us for almost couple years now.

    My ride on scraper is parked a lot, too bad it doesn't gain value like a classic car!

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