1. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hey Nate, how did you know he's Russian------ was it because he's Russian through the job with the knee banger ? He He me trying to be funny ! ?

    Good point about the higher risk for injury. Makes you wonder if workers comp
    premiums would be discounted for Power Stretching installers ?

    I had to visit the last apt. unit my sub-contractor did as the maintenance men decided to install sheet vinyl after the carpet :mad:

    Anyway, I was able to slightly pri-up the tape-down metal, cut and slid the vinyl under the existing metal, Cool ! :cool: ---A first for Me, out of all these years and it worked :yesss: Not something I want to do as the norm But infrequently OK.

    Anyhow back to the story at hand. The existing pad was in good shape
    ( 7/16 6.0 bonded ) We normally use 3/8 6.0, So ! I wrote on the job slip that I highly recommend power stretching for this one due to what I like to call " The extra Flex Factor " This extra flexing action IMO could lead to wrinkling ?

    Well you guessed it, he did not power, I would have been OK with it because I'm still in limbo about the whole thing, but in one area the workmanship was poor. It was at the front door, carpet butting to a 3/8'' rubber tire tile. A tackles strip is the fastener rather than a tap-down metal and I can live with that in this application, but Because it was knee kicked it just didn't have that amazingly tight Power stretched Implant into the tack-pins. Now every
    time someone steps there, that extra Flex will eventually remove the carpet
    from its loss grip.

    Now I'm becoming just a little more motivated to address this issue. Good thing I was able to take care of that before the new Tennant moved in.

    Stay tuned too !! " As The Kicker Jockey Kicks " :mad:

  2. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member Senior Member

    Mike, another way to get your installer on the up and up would be to pay for his/her education to the extent of your own wants and ambitions. Not to turn them off to the idea but one day suggest a certain class or certification and sponsor them. Its what I see from my auto mechanic who owns the shop and has other employees doing the work. He pays for their updates to be a certified shop. Then they might see the light on the power stretching and other ideas to make their lives better. Then you would be spreading your wisdom.
  3. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Thanks for the idea KW. I haven't tried that yet and I'll keep it in mind, but something tells me this old Dog will only move forward or in this case, Do what a carpet installer Does , when he's ready.

    Bad Habits ! are Hard to Break !! we all have them, Sorry ! Most of us. It's really not that different from ME ! and my bad habit of not installing tackles on the sides. I admit it because that debate was full of logical and sound reasons for doing so, yet I continue to choose not too. Calling it over-kill and I bet my sub-contractor thinks the same thing here. The Grip of bad habits can be stubbornly strong so I must remain stubbornly strong as well. :cool:

    Last night I had a phone conversation w/ my Bro who's been trying to convince me about avoiding Sugar like the plague and I know its a stress on my system, just like knee kicking, yet we continue ! He called it my
    " Accepted Misery " So, I can empathize with old Dogs.

    I sure am getting nowhere fast :eek: Maybe because I need this shared self talk with a side of advise and ideas from TFP Team, you know, to get my feet wet before jumping into --- " Mr. Sliwinski demands your "A" Game " Stand.

  4. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

  5. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    hey cp, could you or someone else paint me a picture, using words !
    What exactly is being conveyed with the :cool: ---- :coffee: smileys.
    I'm just not sure ? Thanks !!

    PS> I just spent the better part of the morning drafting an e-mail to my sub
    and I'm liking it, Thanks to the accumulated feed-back from TFP Family.
    I will share, when it's done.

  6. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    Well in this case, it would be,"glad ya cleared that up"............:)
  7. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    We need a CP to English dictionary.;):cool:
  8. Tandy Reeves

    Tandy Reeves Resting In Peace Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    The oath is a good one, however its useage is only as good as the one taking it. I have seen and heard oaths taken in many different settings. Example: court and then lie like a clock.

    To me one of mans most precious possesions is "his word", yet it is severly abused with no remorse. When I give my word, the only thing left is DO IT.

    Contracts came about because mankind lost sight of this simple but extremely difficult principal.
  9. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    It used to be a handshake was a binding contract. Now we swear on the bible and that isn't binding either. Like Tandy says a oath is only as good as the person taking it.
    We know that most of the time the people taking the CFI oath that on Monday they are back to the old ways-at least until something bites them, then they are whining.
    I'm sure that all of us have broken the oaths we have taken, be it marriage, work, religion, and even the CFI. I'm probably guilty of all listed.

  10. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member Senior Member

    Its been that way here with CFI ever since it started. The guys running our chapter were the worst and everyone knew it. Anyway, here we are, full circle again to what I have said in the past. Every job inspected would fix it.
  11. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Never met an installer in person who ever heard of CFI. Of course, none of the other installers in this area know what a Kool Glide is either. I don't think most of them know how to use a power stretcher, either.
  12. ortiz34

    ortiz34 2nd generation Senior Member

    Same here, kicker and mini stretcher jockeys is the norm around here.
  13. power stretching.

    very simple dont power stretch dont get paid. Dont report me to the irs or whoever says its illegal for me to mandate my guys dont get paid to make me mad.

    I dont do many appartments just got a couple we started a few months ago. Went in saw my guys not powerstretching the carpet. He said for that pay im not power stretching. Ok I understand we wont do the work. Because it isnt acceptable to not power stretch my jobs.

    His response to me was his brother in law doesnt powerstretch. He doesnt like his brother in law, calls him a sissy boy. So I ask him sissy boy uses a kicker not a powerstretcher therefore are you saying you are a sissy? he said no. I asked him why he worked for me He gave me an answer I said no you work for me because you power stretch every time. You stop powerstretching you stop working for me. I have had similar conversations in the past with other installers this one stayed others have left, in the end if they leave good if they stay they powerstretch.
  14. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    :cool: -------:coffee: -----:D

  15. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    Whoa, see how easy that was? Gotta work on the dots though........:yesss:------:ohno:
  16. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    I like that firm stand County, but for now I'm going to continue my planned approach. The plan is to use Encouragement / Empowerment words and statements that could help motivate his choice to change, rather than My forcing him to do so. I however do respect the Direct approach and your results.

  17. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    -------- :( ......... :yesss:......... dots do look better than lines, thanks for the Encouraging words.......... :D and smileys !

  18. Mike,

    I dont handle my anger well. It shows on my face so when I see my guys not power stretching they know I am upset and why I am upset. You probably handle it better. I just normally dont use you if I find you not having a power stretcher on the job. If I catch you not using a power stretcher I just begin asking questions about where they plan on working after they finish this job. Your approach is probably more sensible to getting the work done and most clients dont care or know better than to expect to have the job power stretched. I tell my clients we power stretch the carpet so they know to look for it. Now if my guy doesnt power stretch I look like a goof ball and if you have ever seen a picture of me, my image cant take any more hits by purposely looking goofy. So that is why I take my stand. Purely image.
  19. stullis

    stullis Charter Member Senior Member

    Perhaps you should pay more then. :cool:

    I'm just guessing but I will bet you are paying him less to do the apartments than he would get on other jobs. Less pay = less quality. :cool:
  20. You are correct sir. and I feel you have a very valid point. My rebutal to that would be if I ask you as my subcontractor do you want to do apartment work it pays $2 a sq yd half of what you normally make and you say yes. I expect you to lay it properly. It is my feeling and its fine if I am a naive moron but if you are going to accept less here you are going to get less there opening up pandoras box of lack luster performance. Why not just not even do the work.

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