carpeting stairs

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by ProInstallPA, May 24, 2010.

  1. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    There should be no gaps on the sides of open side/cap/upholstered stairs when done waterfall. There are plenty of ways to do it without leaving a gap, the carpet will fill the hole.

    That official CRI taught method someone linked here in the past using only a glue gun looks really interesting but you can do it with staples and the simple "kite cut" (don't know what else to call it) too.

    The installer simply relieves the tension at the nosing with a well placed relief cut under the nose, it's sort of a curve leading into the "kite". If your installers do this there is no blank space in between the carpet and the risers. Longer "kites" provide more volume fill.

    If the carpet is too "cost effective" to fill the space all on its own the installer can add a scrap of carpet or even padding inside the riser wrap to provide volume. The scrap stays because of friction or I guess it could be glued into place.

    No tacking under the nose at the picket edge of the step and no gap. If I can do it anyone can.
  2. ortiz34

    ortiz34 2nd generation Senior Member

    the only time around here guys turn under is against spindles if it's not going through to be capped.
    I can't imagine doing a whole staircase rolling an inch under on both sides all the way up:eek:
  3. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    I did plenty with the carpet turned on one or both sides. It was called runner style or modified runner style (butted one side and turned the other, like along spindles or back from an open side so the hardwood tread showed) as opposed to wall-to-wall - or skirting-to-skirting, as the case may be. It was also pretty rare that I didn't use tackless along the sides when it was w2w.

  4. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    I've seen too many net stairs unravel on the sides. Even with the edges sealed.
  5. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    I've never seen a set of stairs unravel. Almost all the stairs I tear out don't have tackstrip on the sides and no problems.
  6. Curt Durand

    Curt Durand Resting In Peace Charter Member I Support TFP Published

    Love this part of the standard.

    "SOME stairs require tackless strip on the sides to maintain the proper tension."

    No real guidance here.

    If they stay flat - must not need it. If they pucker - they needed it. What kind of standard is this. Catch 22!
  7. pblnslee

    pblnslee Pro Member

    Why do some people think "tailored" takes longer to do. You don't have to wrap pad around to nose. You don't have to add another piece of tackstrip on the rise of the step.
    Personally I think that doing steps waterfall style takes longer.
  8. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    It takes me longer. waterfall = chisel/rub/kick tailored = chisel/staple/crease/staple/kick

    maybe it's just what you're used to, dunno.

    but in any case the padding should go over the nose, regardless of the type of stair. You have to end it on the nosing with tailored.
  9. TwoStar

    TwoStar Maybe Three

    Maybe this is standard but the other day I had to roll the edge under all the way up the steps next to the spindle. I tried hot gluing the inch fold over while the pieces were laid out on the floor. It made the "runner edge" look clean and it was easy. I wouldn't wanna do it every day but it was easier than fighting it all the way.
  10. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    woh, cool. So you basically made a one-sided runner with your hot glue gun and then installed that?

    That's a damn good idea.
  11. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I used to cut it an inch over on each side, lay it out and score the fold on each side with a screwdriver, coat it with contact. Let dry and fold over, instant runner, then install.
  12. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    Good ideas here. It's nice to have these tips in your bag of tricks when faced with something difficult
  13. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I only have to kick the top step since I use the scorpion stair stretcher, easier on the knees. In 30 years I have only seen 1 perfect straight flight of steps. They are always in and out, front to back,step to step. Thats why you need the strip on the sides.
  14. Darren Ramey

    Darren Ramey Charter Member

    I have never been able to get the hang of doing stairs without strip on the sides. You don't have to tuck it in the gully, you can even butt the strip to the wall. I guess it would work without if you are using a nice thick piece and had perfectly straight stairs, but how often does that happen?

    Even on straight stairs with no strip on the sides, when you kick in on it pulls the sides in a little. Every time I have tried it on recover work, where the strip was down, I have regretted it. I must be doing something wrong.
  15. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I don't have a problem with strip on the sides of the steps. I've done may sets that way. I have even seen where an installer put strip on the vertical from bottom of riser to the top edge of the tread. That don't work for me.
    If you turn an inch under and the steps are crooked then it is very easy to take an awl and move the carpet from the turn into the crooked area. I was taught the turn way and when moved to Michigan it was all net sides.
    When I was doing the tool articles for FCI Magazine I was using the stapler that would use 3 types of staples in the photo. It didn't show any strip on the sides of the steps and I believe it was Hugh Scott that told me on FCI forum that it was not the way it was done. Different strokes for different folks.

  16. FlooringGirl

    FlooringGirl Senior Member

    After all these pages on this discussion, I finally remembered to ask my hubby about his take on this. He said in over 30 years, he has never used tackless on the sides of steps. He measures each and every step, as they do run off from step to step and even from front to back by 1/8" or even more, cuts net and flushes the edges to the sides. If they are slanted on the sides, he slants the flush, tight and net. I asked if he turns under at all or tucks (on a wall-to-wall step), and he said NO, flushes tight to the stringer. I didn't think he used tack on the sides, but today I learned something about his method!

    Next to spindles, if we aren't going around the spindles, I do know that if he thinks it will leave a lump when turned, he has the carpet edge bound. This makes it lay flat and looks pretty darn good!

  17. polestretch

    polestretch Senior Member

    We bind every time the customer does not want us to run through the spindles. It looks fantastic AND the customer always loves the clean straight look.:yesss:
  18. mcbrides

    mcbrides Canadian Installers Senior Member

    This method is never done here. The step is either fully upholstered and capped around the pickets, or we install a pre-bound runner on a hardwood staircase.
  19. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    The customers here would never pay to have it bound. It is customary to roll the edges under. It looks great when done right.
  20. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Depending on how thick the carpet it looks nice . But if real thick carpet I either bind it or make the turn and shave the yarn off on the underside.:eh:


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