carpeting stairs

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by ProInstallPA, May 24, 2010.

  1. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Tackless on the sides can be rough on bare feet.
  2. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    Why are you walking that close to the walls. It is the same in the crotch I hear that also. Most people walk down the center of the step unless it is a wide step and basically out on the outer front edge.

  3. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Usually complaint from kids, Who knows why they walk where they do?
  4. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I didn't used to strip the sides but when you get the call backs 7 to 10 years later when everything has loosened up, its nice to have that strip there to get the wrinkles out of the stairs. Since I have been stripping the sides, the steps never get those bubbles anymore. Isn't it a CFI recommendation? I thought it was.
  5. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    I don't strip the sides of stairs unless it's a loop pile. It really depends on the carpet though.
  6. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    If it is a CFI recommendation I'm not aware of it. Of coarse things change. But in trainings and certifications it usually is my job to show how to do steps," the true cut method." But those are a tailored step.
    When I was a trainer for Orcon we showed how to do 3 types of steps. 2 boxed and 1 tailored. One of the box steps did have tackless on the side, and the other was turned under on the sides.
    If you have a set of steps lasting 7-10 years they got to be looking worse than what the bubble may be. Most stairways are wore out long before then. And shifting stairways is a thing of the past.

  7. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    You have to go back to 104-1996 and 105-1995 for that. They both called for tackles son treads and risers. Both have a sentence: "Some stairs require tackless strip on the sides to maintain the proper tension."
  8. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Daris, do you usually do box steps, rolled under or net. I have worked for retailers who insisted on net. But I prefer rolled under.
  9. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I usually do net unless it is a super crooked set of steps. Then it is tackless on the sides or turned. Depending on the carpet of coarse. I was taught originally in Minnesota to turn under and from the top down. No kicker, just hammer and stair tool with a blue lath nail in the corners of the crotch to pull the turn down tight. For Orcon we also taught the nail in the corner of the crotch. Now if I work from the top down I use my stair stretcher and I will do that if it is a pattern that would have lines in it so everything stays even on the nose.
    Whatever reason I get involved alot with runners to keep straight but thats really not to hard.

  10. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I could never get the crain to work. It always would pull up the strip and bow the riser. I use it for pushing wood planks together on wood floors now.
  11. ortiz34

    ortiz34 2nd generation Senior Member

    I was always taught to strip the sides, but ripped out many without.
    It comes in handy when the stringer is crooked and it needs a smidge of a stretch to the wall

    what is this roll under method you're speaking of guys?
  12. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    picture a turn and tack without any tacks on both sides. Works well but I'm not sure if it's an approved method.
  13. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    Looks good on waterfall boxed steps.
  14. mcbrides

    mcbrides Canadian Installers Senior Member

    Yay! Another Canuck! :welcome:

    If you are like us, you probably 'french cap' your stairs, and yes, working from the bottom is the right way to do it. If you rip out an old set of waterfalled stairs, you will find tackless on the riser ~ most of us here consider it a carry-over from the days before electric staple guns. We only put tackless on the sides of pie stairs. And, we staple about every 1/4 inch along the crotch (bottom of the riser) and under the nosing. Stays real tight, looks as neat as a freshly-pressed suit.

    Again, welcome Stevo. Nice to have more of us on this forum.

    Dave & Deb
  15. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    I think you are talking about what we call "cap and band". Most of the customers in this area want waterfall.
  16. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    cap'n band, hollywood style, tailored, new york style, upholstered and now I know a Canadian term: french cap.
  17. rusty baker

    rusty baker Well-Known Member

    oui, mon ami ,:eh:
  18. FlooringGirl

    FlooringGirl Senior Member

    They do?? I always try to convince customers to change from waterfalled to bullnosed, upholstered, capped, tailored, whatever you want to call it, with great success and much happiness at the wonderful difference!

  19. Sean Moore

    Sean Moore Pro Member

    waterfall > tailored.

    Who needs all those lines on a staircase?

    And just like that, the lines in the sand are drawn based on simple aesthetic opinion ;)

    edit: Oh, but I give customers a choice, I'll mock up some scraps on the steps if they don't know what I'm talking about. "OK, this is waterfall and this is tailored. If you want tailored it's going to take us a little while longer and I'll have to use staples. I think lunch will cover it."
  20. FlooringGirl

    FlooringGirl Senior Member

    IMHO, shaped to the lip w/out gaps on the sides are soooo much nicer. My installers never use tackless on the sides, BTW, and whether there are nail holes from the tackless or staple punctures, it really does come down to the aesthetics and the quality of installation. I'm a bit partial, as my husband is the stair expert around here!

    Sorry for the abbreviations, I've been texting with my kids too much, jeez!


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