Carpet Pad Installation

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by Mike Sliwinski, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. otis

    otis Fuzzy side up

    Multi purpose adhesive applied sparingly with a 4" spackle knife on the perimeter. Pad tape on the seams.
     
  2. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I've seen some take multi purpose adhesive and water it down a bit and put it in a squeeze bottle for pad. We used to put felt pad down with a smear of that too. Is that double stick there Mike?
     
  3. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    Hat tearing out pad with a wide band of catpet glue around the edges. A thin bead of pad adhesive holds well and doesn't screw the next guy
     
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    On removal I use to take the wide 14" stand up scrapers, the generic masonry scraper type, then get under the pad and run it down the line. You can cut the pad tape running the edge of trowel at an angle, even flip the end of pad over and start to roll it up with the stand up trowel. Careful in closets with long handle tends to hit things.
     
  5. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    Man, my phone is no good for typing here...so many errors.
     
  6. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    8" stand up extendable works good too.
     
  7. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    The tin cans of glue are extremely flammable. We have furnaces in the basements around here and after a couple of fires (I'm a slow learner) I switched to Henry's non-flammable pad adhesive.
    Never had any issues with pad tape but the moisture barrier pads ask that you use duct tape on seems. :blink: Tape is better than stapled seams.
     
  8. Rodney Henderson

    Rodney Henderson Pro Member

    So then what does it take to technically be pad tape? CRI 105 11.2 states: secure seams with appropriate vinyl-coated cloth cushion tape per the carpet cushion manufacturer’s recommendations.

    I know most of us don't follow the guideline to the letter, including myself. What I am curious about though is where you would find tape that they are describing here. I have never run up on any pad tape that is "vinyl coated cloth" its all been like an almond or brown color tape that seems like beefed up masking tape that is sold as pad tape. I have seen some Stainmaster brand pads to have wrote directly on the pad that you are to tape the seams with a "water resistant" tape. I know for sure that pad tape i have seen is not water resistant.
     
  9. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    Vinyl coated cloth tape sounds lot like duct tape.
     
  10. Rodney Henderson

    Rodney Henderson Pro Member

    It sure does, but I thought I had read somewhere that duct tape was not approved to use on pad, (not that it ever stopped me from using it) It would just be nice to get clear and concise directions on how to do things and what materials to do things with. Is that too much to ask of manufacturers to do? lol
     
  11. Rodney Henderson

    Rodney Henderson Pro Member

    Under the 2013 edition of the CFI study guide it states: 3. Secure cushion with staples or cushion adhesive with the exception of fiber cushion. Seams are to be secured with appropriate cushion tape. Do NOT use duct tape on cushion seams.

    Is there a more up to date version of this anywhere?
     
  12. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    So it actually says not to use duct tape yet the moisture barrier pads say to use a water proof tape. Does this mean just any ol cheap ass vinyl tape as long as it doesn't say duct tape on it? I feel the same as when I called a manufacture to get an approved cleaning product for their flooring. I never did get an answer, just vague recommendations that covered about 90% of the available products out there.
     
  13. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    I saw a moisture barrier pads that specifically said to use duct tape.
     
  14. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    Ummm...common sense says that duct tape and staples work so let's not over complicate things
     
  15. Rodney Henderson

    Rodney Henderson Pro Member

    Common sense is fine, until you use duct tape and staples and come up with an installation related issue, then you have to eat it because you didn't follow the manufacturers instructions to the "T". The chances of eating an install because of the pad being improperly installed are slim at best, but never say never. I think it is also nice to know exactly what manufacturers are looking for when we install their products, whether I follow it or not.

    Also, I have this fantasy that by calling out all of the inconsistencies between these different parties, they will see this and hopefully rectify the complicated mess that it is figuring out what kind of damn tape pad manufacturers want us to use!
     
  16. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In Senior Member

    Rodney, I like your reply, but it will probably never happen, they have bigger fish to fry, However !

    I'm a manufacture of carpet Installation :p and I give 2 thumbs up for using Daffy Duck Tape :p rather than staples or glue, unless it doesn't stick properly. One size never fits all :yesss: We must think as we go.

    As a matter of fact, I use both tape and staples on stairs. A strip of duck tape, then 6ea. staples. The tape provides amazing stability allowing for less staples and a much better hold.:cool:

    Cat Pee keeps me busy replacing units, sometimes yearly, and peeling back old pad, installed w/ duck tape sure makes life easier.

    Mike
     

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  17. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    In this case I'm thinking they are talking the wide packaging tape. I heard or read that somewhere but don't ask me where-maybe it was Playboy. Who knows.

    :old:

    Daris
     
  18. Nate Hall

    Nate Hall Types With Elbows Senior Member Published

    Playboy say use electrical tape...
    To get rid of sweater bumps...:eek:
     
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