Bad Carpet Install-Need Advice

Discussion in 'Carpet Q&A' started by jim Hillsop, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Ok Kw, thanks for the reminder ;) ......Wrong Tackstrip ?

    I 1/4 turned the lap-top and the steps look much worse.
    Almost looks like a wide staple gun was used, not a duo-fast gun and the pad looks curled up @ the nose on one step.

    ------------Remove steps, pull staples, replace pad installing new 1/2''
    over the nose, maybe even remove what looks like " Scosha
    Moldings " under the stair nose, and then re-install.

    Make the new allowance number 800.00 Good Luck

    Mike
     
  2. jim Hillsop

    jim Hillsop Member

    Thanks everyone for the helpful info
    Thanks Mike, I am not sure what stapler they used but I measured one of the staples and it looks like they used ¼” wide ones. How wide is the duo-fast? How do you get the staples in w/o catching the tufts?

    As for fixing the pad on the stairs, should it be just draped over the bullnose, or stapled to the riser, or maybe underside of bullnose. Installation manager told me that if you staple to riser than you won’t be able to staple the carpet in for Hollywood style.

    And yes there are scosha moldings there. I will have those removed. I assume they should have known to do that.
     
  3. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    Good one, Mike. I can never remember what those were called but should be removed to give a nice colonial profile and help hide the staple marks up under the tread.
     
  4. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    30%!! Of course incognito catches that. Made my day! I can hear him from California!
     
  5. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member


    # 1..............Duo-fast staples are 3/16'' wide x 9/16'' long and the best way, not to trap yarns is the 'Wiggle Waggle' method. Just before pressing the trigger you move the gun back and forth, working
    the nose of the gun, through the pile, to help eliminate trapping yarns.

    # 2............. I like draping the pad over the nose appx. 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.

    # 3............. That word 'SHOULD' is a very dangerous word, I prefer
    using the word COULD have known better. ;)

    Keep us posted

    Mike
     
  6. carpet warrior

    carpet warrior carpet warrior

    You have to understand in order for HD installers to make there $275 bucks for the day your job stood in between 5 more 70 yard installs for the day!!! They don't care as long as its down on the floor its good in there eyes. They already have all your money. You need to be aggressive unless you like being ripped off you paid for a installation that was not done right. Tell them to come take it out and you want a full refund. Go to a FLOORING store for Flooring!!!
     
  7. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    I heard him tooo Mike :D

    Lets look at this from another angle, when installers are being devalued by receiving appx. 30% of a professionally installed carpet, even if they have some semblance of integrity towards the trade, that amount will test the best of us to meet CRI Standards.

    Mike
     
  8. Mike Sliwinski

    Mike Sliwinski The Doctor Is In I Support TFP Senior Member

    Great point ! ........I like to repair when-ever possible, it's less disruptive.

    Welcome to the site Man ! I mean Warrior :) Great to have
    another ' Keystone State ' member.

    Mike
     
  9. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    Flooring Stores can still mess up. This condo hallway doorstop kills me. 4 guys prepped hallway 8x40 and a roll of carpet in the van. All transitions were left in place and carelessly butted. So it's more than just a flooring store, a lot more.
     

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  10. Chris 45

    Chris 45 Director of P.R. on some deserted island. I Support TFP

    It's a numbers thing. The big box stores advertise low prices and quick turn around. Their service providers pay subs less but offer them volume as an opportunity for them to make more money. That wheel has got to keep turning and at times the door keeps revolving.

    I wouldn't say you can't get a good install from a big box store but I would say you have a greater chance of this exact scenario playing out. Might as well just spend that money at the casino. At least then you don't have to move your furniture and, who knows, you could win.
     
  11. Hanover Fist

    Hanover Fist Pro Member

    Chris, there is not a sentence above I can find fault with.

    :bow:
     
  12. Roland Thompson

    Roland Thompson Charter Member Senior Member

    Been watching this tread. Other then the padding going over the nose of the steps, this job would be an easy fix. Seams can be take apart, come over 1/4 on both sides seal and use a crab and bring it in. Do this all the time doing seam repairs. As far as worrying about power stretching and moving away from doors and other things. Use a dead man and you can power stretch from any spot getting the carpet tight. As far as the staples on the steps, take the corner of you metal stair tool and you can put a nice cerise just like where the tread and riser meet. This will hide any staple. As far as to the tack strip, nothing to pull back along the wall and fix. So in my book because the padding does not go over nose this would be the only thing that would have to be changed.

    I do know that Romanoff that does lots of HD work has now put in place a very good training program for the installers, also moving them into company paid employees.
    I do not and never have worked for HD. But do know some of the companies that work for them are trying to better the install.
     
  13. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    I've never actually pulled off a set of stairs that had worn on the nose because of the pad not wrapping over the nose. That would be the least of my worries.
     
  14. Mike Mahoney

    Mike Mahoney Pro Member

    Can you attach a floor plan showing dimensions of all areas carpeted?
    If so, indicate seam placement and the available widths of the material you purchased.
     
  15. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I have lots of times.
     
  16. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain Owner/Founder Administrator

    Same here. TOO often. Besides, I don't see the conundrum. If a manufacturer says carpet pad is required under carpet that gets walked on, then the nose of the step would more than qualify. Just because YOU (not you, Ken, but all those other yous) don't happen to step on the nose, doesn't mean the great majority of other people don't either. Not to mention shin, arm or head protection when someone falls. Why is this even a debate?
     
  17. Mike Antonetti

    Mike Antonetti I Support TFP Senior Member

    I've used a 3/4" radius bullnose bit and routed the edge about 5 jobs, messy! They were mostly stages though. Then duct tape the edge on top, day in day out I don't think I'd do that for every job unless I charged for it.
     
  18. kylenelson

    kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong , just saying that compared to every thing else pictured it's just not nearly as bad.
     
  19. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I'm on a lot of stairs and 9 out of 10 that I replace, the tackstrip is over an inch away from the riser and none on the sides. I swear, the older I get the closer I want the strip to walls and risers.
     
  20. Daris Mulkin

    Daris Mulkin The One and Only Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    The one inch would be about right if the stairway had been double stripped at one time. I never have been one for stripping the sides. Wasn't taught that way back when Shep or you was a pup. Maybe you asn't even born yet.:hu:

    :old:

    Daris
     
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