Ardex Training Class Portland

Discussion in 'Industry News, Training & Organizations' started by RFI, Feb 22, 2009.

  1. Hoss

    Hoss Charter Member

    The cleats are so you can walk through the patch as you use the hand held squeegie. This is a cool class to take.
  2. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    There is a huge difference between knowing the right way to do things, and how people want things done. My point was, if you sre scheduled to start an installation and you pull out a moisture test, why are you there to install? If you know it will take a week, don't schedule an install, schedule a moisture test.

    I did some VCT today, and the people spilled oil or gas on the floor, or something, it was messing up the adhesive. It was a maintanence room, you want me to stop and say, this floor is funky? 12 cases of VCT and not a single straight wall, pipes and hoses, curves, angles, and it will be sealed and waxed, and they will not care.

    I doubt anyone here mixes ardex SD-P straight up, if you do, good for you. Tell me how you make that work. It is easier to stone, but we still blend it. Everything you do with 'patch' is about consisteny and texture, if it is a hot day, a humid day, a cold day, you have to mix it differently, even the water temperature will affect the mortar. Are we going over wood, concrete, gypecrete, particle board. You do not mix the Ardex the same, or do you?

  3. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    That's a change- when we first started with Ardex they wanted you to wear metal baseball cleats- smaller profile I guess.
  4. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Some of them will frequently lead to serious problems if you do change the admixture. Engineered products are not regular Portland cement products. Changing the water cement ratio drastically alters the properties of the product. This is something that was always covered in their classes.

    This discussion reminds me of a quote I refer to often:

    "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

    -Herbert Spencer
  5. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    Here is the thing. if you work with the product(s) almosy every day, you will find the side of the bucket/bag is useless. I read what everyone posts, in relevant topics, I believe many people are honest. What happens in a test environment, does not happen in real life. Ardex doesn't shrink as much as other patches, but it blows out, just the same.

    This is fun, I tell you guys to patch over old adhesive, I get shot down until someone else says it, I say to fix a hallway seam by guing it, I am crazy. until someone else says it. I say to avoid stay tacks, it takes a video to agree with me. Who wants to learn here?

    I reallly believe only CP and Forbo would of done the job I did today.

  6. kwfloors

    kwfloors Fuzz on the brain Charter Member Senior Member

    All of us that go to training can atest to some of them being tiering and sometimes boring and then you hear something or see something in one moment or sentence that makes it worthwhile. Sure we don't always learn throughout the whole class but I learn something from every class I attend, however small it is.
  7. Nick Arrera

    Nick Arrera Resting In Peace

    I have a baseball bat , no shoes . will a pair of Golf shoes work ? ;)
  8. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Spikes are too short. Football shoes will work.
  9. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    You keep talking about "blending" the Ardex. What do you blend it with? What are you adding?
    Or are you just talking additional water. No other additive is needed.
  10. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    I blend sd-p with ardex feather finish, it gives more work time and does not become gritty.
    But hey, if you want to mix the patch the same way in any situation that is cool. The humidity. temperature, and subfloor, matters to me.

    I do this crap every day, if you want to say I am wrong, just say it. I am not going to lie to people and say I do everything by the book everytime. I get the job done. I even have people walk through the jobs before I leave, to make sure they do not have issues. Heck, someone here posted that mixing patch on the floor was wrong???

    Where is the patch going....On the floor.

    I have mixed tons of sd-p, you get more use by adding feather finish, and it has a greater work time. We mix cheap patch with ardex, just to increase drying times, Yet I am wrong. Like the time I was wrong about flash patching old adhesive, until someone else suggested it. I was wrong about not using stay nails until someone posted a video, I am wrong a lot here.
  11. Mike Sahli

    Mike Sahli Pro Member

    I woudn't say you are wrong , but i never heard of mixing the two together or why i would need to. If it works for you and everything works out then more power to you.
  12. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    If you mix a lot of patch on commercial jobs, you will have about 15-20 minutes of work time with SD-P, if you add in some feather finish, you can get an extra 10-15 minutes, I am not trying to be a jerk, but most people here act like they install in a perfect world. They do moisture tests, they inspect materials (in all shapes and forms) They mix patch by the instructions, and somehow they maintain a continous notch on their trowels)

    I am not wrong, I do my job,

  13. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    I don't believe anyone ever said you were wrong!! We have quoted standards, and strongly urged sticking to them.

    Please understand that as inspectors the ONLY time we get called is when something fails. Then it becomes our responsibility to find the cause of that failure.
    How do we do that? By checking the floor to see if it was manufactured correctly, installed according to standards and maintained properly.

    You make the comment "I do my job", that is what I do also!! My job is to find out why the floor failed, period!:confused: I cannot let my feeling bad for the installer or consumer influence my decision.
  14. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    I don't know if i posted this or not, but my best friend died the other day, so I have been kind of out of sorts, he was like my brother, so if any of my recent posts offended anyone i apologize. I had to completely recharge my cell phone 3 times in the last 32 hours.

  15. Elmer Fudd

    Elmer Fudd Administwative Asst. Charter Member I Support TFP Senior Member

    No offense taken. Sorry for your loss!
  16. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

  17. Demonseed

    Demonseed Pro Member

    I kind of went out of the world there for a bit. I got a phone call the other day, and i really didn't wake up until this morning, I was moving around and doing things, making phone calls, taking phone calls, but it was all a blur. I was hoping it was a bad dream. I don't know how to explain it. But I apologize for the redundant posts.

  18. Jim McClain

    Jim McClain TFP Owner/Founder Administrator

    No problem at all. We got yer back. :D
  19. Peter Kodner

    Peter Kodner Inspector Floors Charter Member Senior Member

    Ditto what T said!
  20. cproader

    cproader All over T's last nerve Senior Member

    we aint gonna let ya get too far off track Demo...just tug on the string ever now and then so we know yer still on the hook...:D

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